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Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#341 - 2013-04-24 15:05:31 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:

Let's say we get new skilltree called 'special access'. All current players will be granted all 4 racial trees.


NO! Current players will be granted access to the trees THEY HAVE ALREADY SKILLED. So they already put effort to get there. New players didn't.

Hilarious comparison btw.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#342 - 2013-04-24 15:13:18 UTC
With the game being around for 10 years, it's quite possible that the older players have something in their generation that the younger players do not have in their upbringing.


It known as being told "NO" as a toddler.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#343 - 2013-04-24 15:16:49 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
With the game being around for 10 years, it's quite possible that the older players have something in their generation that the younger players do not have in their upbringing.


It known as being told "NO" as a toddler.
AKA "Parenting Tool #1."
Lol

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Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#344 - 2013-04-24 15:21:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Royal Executioner Shazih
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
With the game being around for 10 years, it's quite possible that the older players have something in their generation that the younger players do not have in their upbringing.


It known as being told "NO" as a toddler.




But u keep forgetting that u and other so-called 'older' players do not decide anything and will never do. So your "no' is as meaningless as shoting the breeze. But. yes, thinking otherwise makes u more significant in your own eyes. Good job.
And comparing me to a toddle only shoes how ill-mannered and stupid u are.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#345 - 2013-04-24 15:24:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:

But u keep forgetting that u and other so-called 'older' players do not decide anything and will never do. So your "no' is as meaningless as shoting the breeze. But. yes, thinking otherwise makes u more significant in your own eyes. Good job.
And comparing me to a toddle only shoes how ill-mannered and stupid u are.

You're pushy, ill mannered, demanding and intransigent. We're simply calling it as we see it. If you wish to be treated as an adult, start acting and posting like one, not like an impudent child throwing a tantrum because they can't get their own way.

If you're really interested in an official CCP stance on the matter, petition it via the customer service department, and prepare to be told "no you're not getting any SP to distribute as you see fit because of the skill tree changes" or words to that effect, because that is pretty much the CCP stance and always has been, as evidenced by multiple dev blogs and answers to similar questions in the past.

edit - Please, for the love of Bob, stop murdering the English language, if it's not your native tongue use google translate or babelfish, both of which produce better English than you do, as does my cat when she walks across the keyboard or decides to plant her backside on it because she wants some love.
Posting on a forum with text speak is the epitome of being lazy, "you" and "are" are only 3 letters each, learn them, use them, love them. We're not your friends, and we're not using devices with a sad excuse for a keyboard or an extremely limited message size, TL;DR keep the text speak where it belongs, in text messages between mobile(cell)phones.

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Virginia Virdana
RSM Inc
#346 - 2013-04-24 15:25:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Virginia Virdana
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:


But u keep forgetting that u and other so-called 'older' players do not decide anything and will never do. So your "no' is as meaningless as shoting the breeze. But. yes, thinking otherwise makes u more significant in your own eyes. Good job.
And comparing me to a toddle only shoes how ill-mannered and rotten u are.


Just to be clear, all we are doing here is telling you EXACTLY what any dev would tell you. CCP's policy on skill point reimbursement is very, very clear. It only happens in the event that a skill is completely removed from the game e.g. training skills.

Also: *you *you *shooting *But, yes, *you *toddler *shows *you
It's also considered bad form to start a sentence with "and".
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Caxton Verticorda
The Fuel Consortium
#347 - 2013-04-24 15:26:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Caxton Verticorda
If you start training now there is enough time to get Battlecruisers 5 and Destroyers 5 before the changes hit.
(Probably a repost since I cba to read through every other post, but hey.)

I don't care that Harbingers are bad. I still like them.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#348 - 2013-04-24 15:36:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
A better example (still horribly flawed) is that

1. US changes driving laws in 2014 that you need a "standard transmission" license if you want to drive a car with standard (manual) transmission.
2. anyone with a current licence is granted "std transmission" license, provided that they own/lease a car with a standard transmission.
3. anyone who isn't licensed by 01/01/14 (or doesn't have a std transmission car) defaults to the "automatic transmission only" license, but can test to have the "full" license.

That's all that CCP is changing/adding with the skill change things.
Hell, you can even keep the fractured-state scenario:

1. US gets split into UCAS, CAS, NAN and CFS in 2017 after the treaty of Denver.
2. All old US permanent residents are granted quadruple residencies by default, and can thus travel freely just like before.
3. Anyone wanting to become a resident after 2017 has to go the respective embassies to apply for the full set of permanent residencies so they can travel freely too.


... why is it in each of those factions, I'm trying to cram "Caldari" in there somehow?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#349 - 2013-04-24 15:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Velicitia wrote:


... why is it in each of those factions, I'm trying to cram "Caldari" in there somehow?


Because the US has "all ze missiles"?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#350 - 2013-04-24 15:40:54 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
With the game being around for 10 years, it's quite possible that the older players have something in their generation that the younger players do not have in their upbringing.


It known as being told "NO" as a toddler.




But u keep forgetting that u and other so-called 'older' players do not decide anything and will never do. So your "no' is as meaningless as shoting the breeze. But. yes, thinking otherwise makes u more significant in your own eyes. Good job.
And comparing me to a toddle only shoes how ill-mannered and stupid u are.

You're still whining for a CCP 'official' answer? It was already given. Repeatedly. Why do you think your pushy, immature, childish tantrum is going to get you anything else?

My eight-year old could parse this stuff better than you can.

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Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#351 - 2013-04-24 16:17:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
...
1. US gets split into UCAS, CAS, NAN and CFS in 2017 after the treaty of Denver.
2. All old US permanent residents are granted quadruple residencies by default, and can thus travel freely just like before.
3. Anyone wanting to become a resident after 2017 has to go the respective embassies to apply for the full set of permanent residencies so they can travel freely too.

Man, I gotta get my nose out of EVE and watch the news. I didn't know about any of this.
Kalanaja
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#352 - 2013-04-24 16:23:13 UTC
The only thing they are doing is making it so people that can already pilot those ships in the lines that are getting changed can continue without having to go back from square one almost. Meaning if they have Destroyers 5 and the other skills required for all the Interdictors, then they'll be able to still pilot them after the change. The same applies with anyone that has BC 5. Yes, technically they get free sp. However, that sp just means a higher clone cost and in the end really doesn't matter that much because whatever particular interdictor or command ship they use now, they'll continue to most likely use afterwards. It really only majorly effects the Interdictor and the Command Ship pilots. If you have the Destroyer skills and the BC skills for the tech1 version for all races and can pilot them now. You'll still be able to pilot them afterwards. It's nothing to cry over. A rookie two or three month character is a bit ways from being effective in an interdictor, and nowhere to really even making a command ship active. If anything the changes actually help a new player some. Especially if the rookie plans on hopping into an Orca.
Abraham Nalelmir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#353 - 2013-04-24 16:24:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Abraham Nalelmir
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Thank you for responses. Some of you called me moron/thick-headed/fail-planner etc others gave in-depth explanations which I additionally thank for.
Now let me sort it out.

1. I myself (actually training it) might get it on time (or even if not be short like 4-5 days). I hope it is clear. But people who just started or will start playing a bit later wont.

Well, people who joined now, I'm not sure what is bad for them
2-3 weeks of training they can get racial frigates to 4, racial cruisers to 3, destroyers to 5, and battlecruisers to 4
Then they can fly every battlecruiser for every race, as well as every destroyer

IT IS NOT MANDATORY TO GET EVERYTHING ON 5

People who joined after the patch will be same as the people who heard about the mighty 7 HAM drake then they joined to find it 6 HAM drake few months ago!!

I'm not sure where is the problem here, why you make a problem out of nothing? new people won't have anything bad about that... but on the other hand, WE <- the ones who trained those to 5 will have to PAY MORE ISK on a clone, and if some of us forgot to upgrade his clone before the patch or directly after the patch then get podded then we are pretty much F'ED because we WILL LOSE ALL AND EVERYTHING related to these 2 skills (will be 8 skills by then) so WE NEED TO SPEND FROM 3 TO 4 MONTHS TRAINING THAT AGAIN

Also just to say that again: we are not getting "free" SP to allocate, we are getting SP "ALREADY" allocated in the form of skills that will let us fly what we can already fly

I hope you realize how lucky you are now even if you feel bad about it

In Go.. ECM I trust
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#354 - 2013-04-24 16:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Manny Moons wrote:
Tippia wrote:
...
1. US gets split into UCAS, CAS, NAN and CFS in 2017 after the treaty of Denver.
2. All old US permanent residents are granted quadruple residencies by default, and can thus travel freely just like before.
3. Anyone wanting to become a resident after 2017 has to go the respective embassies to apply for the full set of permanent residencies so they can travel freely too.

Man, I gotta get my nose out of EVE and watch the news. I didn't know about any of this.

You probably missed the 2001 Shiawase decision, too, which made corporations extraterritorial so they can raise their own armies and shoot runners on sight. Or the reappearance of dragons in Japan in 2011… Blink
Ivoto
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#355 - 2013-04-24 16:25:50 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Hi everyone.
Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point.
Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine.
But players who dont do that will get nothing.

I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate.
If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.

Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.

That's why I propose recompensation.


Even though you're a fellow Blue Bro:

No.
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#356 - 2013-04-24 16:29:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Royal Executioner Shazih
silens vesica wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
With the game being around for 10 years, it's quite possible that the older players have something in their generation that the younger players do not have in their upbringing.


It known as being told "NO" as a toddler.




But u keep forgetting that u and other so-called 'older' players do not decide anything and will never do. So your "no' is as meaningless as shoting the breeze. But. yes, thinking otherwise makes u more significant in your own eyes. Good job.
And comparing me to a toddle only shoes how ill-mannered and stupid u are.

You're still whining for a CCP 'official' answer? It was already given. Repeatedly. Why do you think your pushy, immature, childish tantrum is going to get you anything else?


My eight-year old could parse this stuff better than you can.


Grow up. Then talk to me. And leave your [whining] slang among your teen fellows
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#357 - 2013-04-24 16:36:24 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Grow up. Then talk to me. And leave your [whining] slang among your teen fellows

No. U grow up. Then talk to me.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#358 - 2013-04-24 16:38:33 UTC
I am guessing it's about time for the mods to lock this - I think all useful discussion has already been wrung from this thread.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#359 - 2013-04-24 16:41:17 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Grow up. Then talk to me. And leave your [whining] slang among your teen fellows

No. U grow up. Then talk to me.


What makes u think that I have a slightest desire to talk to u lol? Are u an angry alt of those who already wrote here or an independent character who decided to earn some fame by posting in this thread?
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#360 - 2013-04-24 16:45:16 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:

Grow up. Then talk to me. And leave your [whining] slang among your teen fellows
Ah, the "I know you are, but what am I?" response. I think Pee Wee Herman used that one best. You've managed a pathetic, pale, pale ghost of an imitation of Paul Reubens' deilvery.
Lol

So - you've been pidgeon-holed pretty thoroughly. By your own words, no less.
Heh.


De'Veldrin wrote:
I am guessing it's about time for the mods to lock this - I think all useful discussion has already been wrung from this thread.

Yup.

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