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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#281 - 2013-04-24 08:45:26 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:


Because u got a gift of being able to fly all T2 destroyers and T2 BCs for training only 2 universal skills. Pure gift u perceive as a norm. Now that gift is about to be removed. And so I ask for fraction of it. Simple as that.


Why exactly do you deserve free SP to put anywhere when I am getting nothing at all other than a more expensive clone cost?
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#282 - 2013-04-24 08:51:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
You like everyone else have had months of warning about this and there are still two months until Odyssey is deployed. I suggest you get your training sorted out and you should manage Destroyer and BC 5 in time.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#283 - 2013-04-24 08:53:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:


Because u got a gift of being able to fly all T2 destroyers and T2 BCs for training only 2 universal skills. Pure gift u perceive as a norm. Now that gift is about to be removed. And so I ask for fraction of it. Simple as that.

It's not a gift, we trained those skills, therefore we can fly those ships, both before and after the upcoming patch, you on the other hand have not trained those skills, therefore you won't be able to fly those ships before and after the patch, unless you start training now, which is within the realms of possibility. All CCP are doing is bringing those two oddities in line with the pre existing racial ship skill types.

The only change for those of us that already have the skills, that you are so upset about, is that our clones just got more expensive, we are not gaining anything at all, we are simply retaining what we already have. You on the other hand seem to want a handout, I've got news for you, it's not going to happen.

Now give us one good reason why you should get SP for free, when those of us that have invested the time only get to retain the ability to fly ships that we already can.

BTW "u" is actually spelt YOU, by using "u" as an abbreviation you make yourself look both immature and foolish, especially given that Eve tends to appeal to a more mature audience.

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Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#284 - 2013-04-24 09:00:04 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:


Because u got a gift of being able to fly all T2 destroyers and T2 BCs for training only 2 universal skills. Pure gift u perceive as a norm. Now that gift is about to be removed. And so I ask for fraction of it. Simple as that.

It's not a gift, we trained those skills, therefore we can fly those ships, both before and after the upcoming patch, you on the other hand have not trained those skills, therefore you won't be able to fly those ships before and after the patch, unless you start training now, which is within the realms of possibility. All CCP are doing is bringing those two oddities in line with the pre existing racial ship skill types. The only change for those of us that already have the skills, that you are so upset about, is that our clones just got more expensive, we're not gaining anything at all, we are simply retaining what we already have. You on the other hand seem to want a handout, I've got news for you, not going to happen.

Now give us one good reason why you should get SP for free, when those of us that have invested the time only get to retain the ability to fly ships that we already can.

BTW "u" is actually spelt YOU, by using "u" as an abbreviation you make yourself look both immature and foolish, especially given that Eve tends to appeal to a more mature audience.


You were supposed to be able to fly T2 say Amarr BC for 20 days of training, right? But for some odd reason it allowed u to fly all T2 BCs. Right? So it is a gift you've been enjoying ever since u got BC til V. Right? You already got more than intended. Right? So I also can get more than indented by YOUR logic
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#285 - 2013-04-24 09:01:42 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
You were supposed to be able to fly T2 say Amarr BC for 20 days of training, right? But for some odd reason it allowed u to fly all T2 BCs. Right? So it is a gift you've been enjoying ever since u got BC til V. Right? You already got more than intended. Right? So I also can get more than indented by YOUR logic

no he was supposed to be able to fly every bc at v for 20 days of training
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#286 - 2013-04-24 09:04:52 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:


You were supposed to be able to fly T2 say Amarr BC for 20 days of training, right? But for some odd reason it allowed u to fly all T2 BCs. Right? So it is a gift you've been enjoying ever since u got BC til V. Right? You already got more than intended. Right? So I also can get more than indented by YOUR logic


Wrong. We got exactly what CCP intended, but it is silly having just one skill for all 4 ships so CCP are changing it.

What we are getting is exactly what we can fly now but lumped with millions of extra SP which will do nothing but push a lot of us into a more expensive clone.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#287 - 2013-04-24 09:10:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:

You were supposed to be able to fly T2 say Amarr BC for 20 days of training, right? But for some odd reason it allowed u to fly all T2 BCs. Right? So it is a gift you've been enjoying ever since u got BC til V. Right? You already got more than intended. Right? So I also can get more than indented by YOUR logic


No I did not get more than intended, as the battlecruiser skill currently stands I get the ability to fly the racial T1 battlecruisers that I have the prerequisite skills for, which is all of them including the tier 3s, I can't fly any of the T2 battlecruisers because I don't have the relevant prerequisite skill, which is command ships, trained. T=tech not tier.


The BC skill is currently working as was originally intended when it was initially introduced to the game, they are retrospectively changing the skill so that it fits with all the other ship skills and presents a uniform skill tree, thus making it easier to manage in the future if they decide to introduce more ships. In the interests of not enraging a considerable portion of the playerbase they are allowing us to retain what we already have, see Incarna and its fallout for what happens when they do enrage us.

CCP are not going to penalise people for having the foresight to take advantage of a well publicised change in the skill queue, neither are they going to give handouts to people that failed to take advantage of it.

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Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#288 - 2013-04-24 09:11:51 UTC
People like to use the 'stick & carrot' metaphor (inappropriately mind you) in EVE concerning development choices.

So in this case this is like CCP is bludgeoning fail-skill-planners within inches of their life and in return the players are saying "Please just give us the carrot CCP."

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Dave Stark
#289 - 2013-04-24 09:40:30 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
U cry like a 10-year old boy. Oh, wait. U probably are a 10-year old boy


let's see the facts here.

starts thread crying about ship changes you were informed about nearly a year ago.
had plenty of time to train the skills but decided not to.
demands 2mil SP for no reason other than stupidity.
complains bitterly when people point out your error.
say i'm the one crying.

the people in this room with me are wondering why i'm laughing so hard.

please, try harder.
Miles Harker
State War Academy
Caldari State
#290 - 2013-04-24 09:47:32 UTC
I read this post last night and found out about these changes for the first time. I immediately adjusted my skill plan, used one of my remaps, plugged in my +4s and guess what?

I will complete all the training to include; BC 5, Destoyer 5 and all racial frigate and cruiser skills before the launch of Odyssey. Bear in mind I'm 3 days old.

So, perhaps if your first reaction was not to come to the forums and complain. And it was instead to investigate the feasibility of achieving the skills within the time frame, like I have, then I may have had a little more sympathy for you.
Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#291 - 2013-04-24 09:52:49 UTC
Miles Harker wrote:
I read this post last night and found out about these changes for the first time. I immediately adjusted my skill plan, used one of my remaps, plugged in my +4s and guess what?

I will complete all the training to include; BC 5, Destoyer 5 and all racial frigate and cruiser skills before the launch of Odyssey. Bear in mind I'm 3 days old.

So, perhaps if your first reaction was not to come to the forums and complain. And it was instead to investigate the feasibility of achieving the skills within the time frame, like I have, then I may have had a little more sympathy for you.



How did you train the Cybernetics skills to plug in +4's in less than three days?


Or afford them, for that matter.

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dark heartt
#292 - 2013-04-24 09:54:04 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:


Because u got a gift of being able to fly all T2 destroyers and T2 BCs for training only 2 universal skills. Pure gift u perceive as a norm. Now that gift is about to be removed. And so I ask for fraction of it. Simple as that.

It's not a gift, we trained those skills, therefore we can fly those ships, both before and after the upcoming patch, you on the other hand have not trained those skills, therefore you won't be able to fly those ships before and after the patch, unless you start training now, which is within the realms of possibility. All CCP are doing is bringing those two oddities in line with the pre existing racial ship skill types. The only change for those of us that already have the skills, that you are so upset about, is that our clones just got more expensive, we're not gaining anything at all, we are simply retaining what we already have. You on the other hand seem to want a handout, I've got news for you, not going to happen.

Now give us one good reason why you should get SP for free, when those of us that have invested the time only get to retain the ability to fly ships that we already can.

BTW "u" is actually spelt YOU, by using "u" as an abbreviation you make yourself look both immature and foolish, especially given that Eve tends to appeal to a more mature audience.


You were supposed to be able to fly T2 say Amarr BC for 20 days of training, right? But for some odd reason it allowed u to fly all T2 BCs. Right? So it is a gift you've been enjoying ever since u got BC til V. Right? You already got more than intended. Right? So I also can get more than indented by YOUR logic


He still had to train the racial frigate and racial cruiser skill up and if he wanted to fly all the ships he had to train the racials for each. The more you rage about this the more you are going to be laughed at and told no.
Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#293 - 2013-04-24 09:56:15 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Hi everyone.
Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.


So older players have more skills than newer players? Who would have thought..
I halted Titan 5 to get Destroyers to 5, so shut up!
Miles Harker
State War Academy
Caldari State
#294 - 2013-04-24 09:56:36 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Miles Harker wrote:
I read this post last night and found out about these changes for the first time. I immediately adjusted my skill plan, used one of my remaps, plugged in my +4s and guess what?

I will complete all the training to include; BC 5, Destoyer 5 and all racial frigate and cruiser skills before the launch of Odyssey. Bear in mind I'm 3 days old.

So, perhaps if your first reaction was not to come to the forums and complain. And it was instead to investigate the feasibility of achieving the skills within the time frame, like I have, then I may have had a little more sympathy for you.



How did you train the Cybernetics skills to plug in +4's in less than three days?


Or afford them, for that matter.


No offence, but are you really that naive?

Cybernetics 4 is achievable in 3 days and 100M for a set of +4s isn't even a quarter the value of a PLEX.
Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#295 - 2013-04-24 10:02:11 UTC
Miles Harker wrote:
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Miles Harker wrote:
I read this post last night and found out about these changes for the first time. I immediately adjusted my skill plan, used one of my remaps, plugged in my +4s and guess what?

I will complete all the training to include; BC 5, Destoyer 5 and all racial frigate and cruiser skills before the launch of Odyssey. Bear in mind I'm 3 days old.

So, perhaps if your first reaction was not to come to the forums and complain. And it was instead to investigate the feasibility of achieving the skills within the time frame, like I have, then I may have had a little more sympathy for you.



How did you train the Cybernetics skills to plug in +4's in less than three days?


Or afford them, for that matter.


No offence, but are you really that naive?

Cybernetics 4 is achievable in 3 days and 100M for a set of +4s isn't even a quarter the value of a PLEX.


No, I just see Cybernetics 4 avalible in 2 days 5 hours with my +3's in and didn't think you bought a Plex.

Yes, I'm too lazy to train it to 5 for the +5 implants. There are more important things to do.

Like getting those +5's.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#296 - 2013-04-24 10:04:22 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:

But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged

well. let imagine you got these "compensation" SP. Okey.

And now new person joins Eve Online day after summer expansion. Does he need to get some compensation? He only 1 day late to receive this "SP gift".
1) Yes - what about new players who joined 2+ days after expansion? Where is that border after which CCP should not "compensate new player disadvantage"?
2) No - this is "unfair": he is already newer and have big disadvantage.

Hope this helps.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Miles Harker
State War Academy
Caldari State
#297 - 2013-04-24 10:07:46 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Miles Harker wrote:
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Miles Harker wrote:
I read this post last night and found out about these changes for the first time. I immediately adjusted my skill plan, used one of my remaps, plugged in my +4s and guess what?

I will complete all the training to include; BC 5, Destoyer 5 and all racial frigate and cruiser skills before the launch of Odyssey. Bear in mind I'm 3 days old.

So, perhaps if your first reaction was not to come to the forums and complain. And it was instead to investigate the feasibility of achieving the skills within the time frame, like I have, then I may have had a little more sympathy for you.



How did you train the Cybernetics skills to plug in +4's in less than three days?


Or afford them, for that matter.


No offence, but are you really that naive?

Cybernetics 4 is achievable in 3 days and 100M for a set of +4s isn't even a quarter the value of a PLEX.


No, I just see Cybernetics 4 avalible in 2 days 5 hours with my +3's in and didn't think you bought a Plex.

Yes, I'm too lazy to train it to 5 for the +5 implants. There are more important things to do.

Like getting those +5's.


My intention was to beeline the +5S but this change for odyssey changed that.

Of course I'm going to buy a PLEX when im going to get 6m million additional skill points which is what 3-4 months of subscription charges?

You'd be daft not too...
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#298 - 2013-04-24 10:08:10 UTC
how on earth are there 15 pages on this?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#299 - 2013-04-24 10:12:28 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
how on earth are there 15 pages on this?


I like your signature.

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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
#300 - 2013-04-24 10:15:18 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Hi everyone.
Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point.
Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine.
But players who dont do that will get nothing.

I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate.
If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.

Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.

That's why I propose recompensation.


and newer players haven't had their fair share of advantages over older players?

Sit the **** down.