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Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-04-23 15:28:22 UTC
Hi everyone.
Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point.
Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine.
But players who dont do that will get nothing.

I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate.
If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.

Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.

That's why I propose recompensation.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-04-23 15:30:17 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Hi everyone.
Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point.
Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine.
But players who dont do that will get nothing.

I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate.
If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.

Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.

That's why I propose recompensation.


So let me get this right -

You want a reward for failing to plan ahead for a change that has been announced for at least 6 - 9 months.

How about No? Does No work for you?

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Dave Stark
#3 - 2013-04-23 15:35:10 UTC
and ******** thread of the day goes to... OP, congratulations!
Neptune Phantom
#4 - 2013-04-23 15:39:06 UTC
Weird, i thought i heard people will be compensated the skillpoints they have trained so far in those catagories.

So if you didnt skill completly up in time for the changes or plan ahead, yes you will get skillpoints.
Kojee
Black Rabbits
Black Rabbit.
#5 - 2013-04-23 15:40:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Kojee
Yeah... no. This is pretty much ********.

Also, free SP to allocate > SP in a predefined skill imo.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-04-23 15:44:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Rebecha Pucontis
Wow... I remember asking about having the Mining Barge skill refunded, and that caused many forum flames. But at least that made sense. Asking for this will cause a forum inferno!

*Sits back and gets out the marshmallows on sticks"
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-04-23 15:45:56 UTC
Kojee wrote:
Yeah... no. This is pretty much ********.

Also, free SP to allocate > SP in a predefined skill imo.


U are right, that's why I am talking about partial recompensation
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-04-23 15:47:29 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
U are right, that's why I am talking about partial recompensation


Compensation for what exactly?
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#9 - 2013-04-23 15:47:42 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Hi everyone.
Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point.
Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine.
But players who dont do that will get nothing.

I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate.
If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.

Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.

That's why I propose recompensation.


It's not free SP. They can fly the same ships as they could before except now their clones cost more.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Sedrie
Apple Industries Inc.
#10 - 2013-04-23 15:48:08 UTC
2/10
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#11 - 2013-04-23 15:48:36 UTC
I thought I smelled socialism in here.

It all started in the early 20th century when teachers were told to say to kids caught with chewing gum "did you bring enough for everybody?".

I am going to have BC5 trained right before the changes, and then maybe I'll spend some capital gains on beer and steak to celebrate, and I won't be bringing enough for anybody else.

So there. Nyah nyah nyah. Lol

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-04-23 15:51:27 UTC
Neptune Phantom wrote:
Weird, i thought i heard people will be compensated the skillpoints they have trained so far in those catagories.

So if you didnt skill completly up in time for the changes or plan ahead, yes you will get skillpoints.


No, you won't.

The only way you will get skill points reimbursed is if you have somehow managed to train Destroyers or Battlecruisers by themselves with no training in any racial frigate or racial cruiser respectively.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-04-23 15:51:31 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Hi everyone.
Probably my post will bring a lot of criticism but I want to make a point.
Due to ship skills revamp people who train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V are going to get around 6mil SP. That is fine.
But players who dont do that will get nothing.

I propose that players who decided not to train the mentioned skill get partial recompensation (say 30% of the max possible skills). For example, if someone gets zero additional SP from summer expansion he qualifies for 6x0.3 = 2m free SP to allocate.
If the player gets 2m SP from summer expansion he qualifies for (6-2)x0.3 = 1,3m free SP to allocate etc.

Some of u will object because we all knew that in advance and could train Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V. BUT while for older players 20-30 days of training is nothing newer players cant afford to spend so much time on 1-2 skills. It gives unfair advantage to older players and players who already have Destroyers V and Battlecriusers V over newer player.

That's why I propose recompensation.


It's not free SP. They can fly the same ships as they could before except now their clones cost more.


But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-04-23 15:52:12 UTC
Even better. I trained BC to level V on an alt even though I am never going to use BC with that character. I have no cruiser skills and am Per and Will remapped so will get lots of lovely free unallocated SP in June on that character. :)
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-04-23 15:53:15 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged


How did you work out you are being punished? And again, what exactly is it that you want compensation for?
Virginia Virdana
RSM Inc
#16 - 2013-04-23 15:53:42 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
I propose that players who decided not to train...


No.

They decided not to train, so they don't get any SP. I decided not to train a whole raft of skills so that I coulld get BC and Destroyers to V. Should I get compensation? No.
They say never come to a gunfight armed with a knife.   You appear to have come armed with a spoon.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#17 - 2013-04-23 15:55:02 UTC
So if I create a character 1 day before the expansion I get 2 mil free sp but if I create it 2 days later I get nothing? Seems pretty unfair that vets would get a free pass to fill up their accounts with trained cyno alts and PI industrialists.
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-04-23 15:55:07 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged


How did you work out you are being punished? And again, what exactly is it that you want compensation for?


to get all racial BC T2 hulls
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#19 - 2013-04-23 15:55:27 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Wow... I remember asking about having the Mining Barge skill refunded, and that caused many forum flames. But at least that made sense.


It made exactly no sense, as mining barges are still in the game and the skill still affects them. This thread makes just as little sense as we knew about the destroyer / battlecruiser changes last summer and had plenty of time to take appropriate action.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Dave Stark
#20 - 2013-04-23 15:56:42 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
But y I am punished for that? Y I have to spend 4x times more than they? Because I am younger? Newer players already heavily disadvantaged


How did you work out you are being punished? And again, what exactly is it that you want compensation for?


to get all racial BC T2 hulls


if you didn't post a terrible op, followed by answers that make no sense, people might take you more seriously.
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