Ships & Modules

Agreed, I've never understood why we only receive a boost to kinetic damage.

What about stealth bombers? Keep dmg type bonuses for them?

i disagree mate, your argument isnt really valid.

sure amarr get laser bonus, but lasers only do em/therm damage.
gallente get a hybrid bonus, but hybrids only do therm/kin damage.
minmatar get a projectile bonus, but projectiles can't do pure kinetic damage.

generally minmatar have it the best when it comes to damage type selection but it's still limited.
as a matter of fact, the ONLY race with full damage type selection IS caldari on their universally bonused ships.
(and amarr on their missile boats I guess but it's still missiles.)

PS: for the record I frequently use explosive ammo in my PVP tengu to shoot T2/3 gallente and caldari ships to good effect. I also remember way back running some missions with EM ammo in a tengu.

I think it would be cool for stealth bombers to have a unique bonus for damage type like they do. It would also fix any bomb issues that might come up.

You realize that he Cerb has an equally large resistance bonus against the Deimos' weapons, and the Deimos doesn't even have the option of changing to low-damage ammo that fits the resistance holes, right?

Bear in mind that missiles have other advantages (and weaknesses) that turret based ships don't have.

- Missiles always hit as long as the target is in range (admittedly, they don't always apply their paper damage).
- Expanding on the point above... missiles don't have to worry about tracking and hostiles "getting under them" (but they do have to worry about the sig radius of the target they are hitting... which can be related to the "falloff" penalties that turrets suffer from).
- Short range missiles have longer "optimal" ranges compared to most their turret equivalents (aside from lasers with Scorch).
- The only direct counter to missiles are Defenders (other missiles)... which almost no one carries. Meanwhile all turrets are concerned about tracking disruptors.
- Missiles are only one of two weapon systems in the game that don't require capacitor power (projectiles being the other).

No other race gets perfect damage type selection. The kinetic bonus keeps things in check. Having a full, bonused, damage for all types of missiles would basically make missiles the end all be all of PvE.

For example... Tengu is already retardedly good. It's only week spots are against races strong to kinetic and really weak to another damage type (Sansha, BR, etc). Give it global bonuses and it would literally be the only ship you ever see in low/nulsec anoms/plexes. Hell you still see a ton of them in Sansha/BR space even through they are somewhat gimped against their resist profile.

For PvP... once again, no other race gets perfect damage selection, limiting the bonus to kinetic keeps it in balance.


Edit: The reason missiles suck in PvP has nothing to do with the kinetic bonus, it has to do with the fact that missile mechanics are horrible for the manner in which PvP works in EVE. Fix the mechanics, don't bandage with ship bonuses.

Missiles suck in pvp?!

Guess you haven't played in a while then?

Neither Caldari nor missiles suck in pvp. Kinetic bonus makes sense in that it limits the power of the ship. Note that the damage selection is still possible, it just comes with a drawback. For instance, take Cyclone vs. Drake: one has a universal rof bonus and 5 launchers, while the other a 5% kinetic damage bonus and 6 launchers.

If we run the numbers, this is what we get:

Cyclone has 5 x 1.33 = 6.65 effective turrets

Drake has 6 x 1 = 6 effective turrets while shooting non-kinetic and 6 x 1.5 = 9 effective turrets while shooting kinetic.

This gives both ships their role: dps-wise, the Drake will be superior when shooting at kinetic weak targets, while the Cyclone will be superior against all others.

Incidentally, the Caracal has the same number of effective turrets as the Cyclone, just no extra slots, a smaller drone bay, but makes up for it with faster speed and longer range.

So as you can see, things aren't as black and white as they seem to be presented here. Were we limited to one race, I'd possibly agree, but as we're not, there's no reason not to choose the right tool for the job. If you dislike kinetic bonus, there are plenty of ships around that don't have it - even in the Caldari lineup.

EDIT: Fixed a bug where I made a silly. :)

Gallente and Amarr have been in the sun for years, Just because drake fleets used to be everywhere goes to show the caldari had one ship that was viable for pvp. Gone are those days but alas its a shame i was not around for when Missiles where truely King and the Limp wristed frenchys trembled in fear as our missiles blocked out the sun :/


The future Cruise missile buff is long awaited but torps need looking at and the HAM and HM nerf last year was uncalled for.


Except in the case of the 100MN Tengu because that was really OP lol