Jita Park Speakers Corner

Whether it is true or not, it does need a statement from CCP stating whether he was banned or not.

Also it does raise the relevance of alternates and the need for more transparency in relation to the CSM.

You have gone on the attack before about a CSm member attacking the power of your blocs votes.

How are those votes in the Null blocs, any different from those who voted for D3?

Or are you saying you would have no objection if your blocs primary candidate was temporarily banned for months on end? Lets face it what proof would you have other than their word?

Oh more ridicule and not very good ridicule either.

Yes there is an upside, it will confirm whether a member of the CSM was removed long term from the CSM, without giving the playerbase notice.

Notifying the playerbase is one of the checks and balances needed for a CSM that the playerbase will respect.

I am perfectly aware that keeping the CSM as an object of ridicule does increase some blocs voting power by reducing the number of potential voters.

But the CSM is the voice of all players not just a few. It needs credibility, it needs the best people this game has to offer and it needs transparency. This cannot be obtained by having it as an object of ridicule that allows a small portion of the player base to control it.

Yes the player base needs education, but so too does the CSM need credibility. Credibility as the voice of the players, not as a CCP puppet.

Yes I have.

In the need for transparency in relation to the CSM, all they need is a simple statement. "D3 is full of crap, no ban, temporary or otherwise was given." posted into Jita Park.

That is it the end. A CSM member has made an allegation against CCP in relation to the CSM and they need to respond to it.

The CSM should be of the highest standard and we the players should expect and demand the highest standard.

They chose to be our voice, by running in elections. Those that fill offices chose to do so.

They are not forced into it and lying, lack of communication and transparency or lack of fulfillment of the tasks of the office should not be accepted.

These players are there to represent us to CCP. I for one had a gut full of the crap during CSM7 and do not want a repeat.

If he is lying then his actions have defamed the CSM and that is the problem of every player.

If he is telling the truth then that is the problem of every player.

It is our CSM, yours, mine, everyone's. The actions of those within the CSM, need to be transparent to the player base and accountable for their actions.

As players we should expect nothing less than the best from those who are members of the CSM.

Actually, as a player and a human being, I don't have much expectation from the CSM, save maybe "try not to forget you represent us as well as CCP". They're volunteers, all of this "I DEMAND THE BEST" garbage just makes you sound like a delusional retail assistant manager at a mall somewhere.



No, his allegations should be taken as seriously as the evidence he provides for them. In D3's case, there is zero evidence, which leaves only the value of his word, which last I checked was making the Zimbabwe dollar look like the British Pound.

It's funny, on one hand you want "NOTHING LESS THAN THE BEST" from the CSM, and then the next minute you want official CCP responses because one CSM member (one known for trolling) said a bunch of dumb **** with zero proof. Maybe you should amend your desires to "I want nothing but the best, unless it's some shirtlord making dumb accusations I can get angry about".

You're so desperate to make your terrible point that you've just equated 14 nerds talking about a spaceship video game with a ******* ambulance service. Perspective much?

Both are volunteers. Whether you volunteer for a video game, an ambulance service, a food bank or a pizza store.

You should never consider doing less just because you are a volunteer. If you do you are not there to help others but only there to help yourself.

Actually it is not a strawman. It is just sad that you believe people should not give there best, just because they are not getting paid.

Ahh, he went for the first one. Sad, we could have skipped all that.

You cannot have the same expectation of volunteers than you do of paid employees - well, not if you have any hope in keeping them. Where the slack comes from will be largely different depending on what the volunteer position is; in our case, we're talking about an advisory group for a spaceship video game. This means that, if we want to be realistic, we can't expect utter devotion.

There's also the point that when you say you "expect the best", you quantify it in your own what. What you feel is "the best" for the CSM may not jive with anyone else's expectation for what "the best" is (and knowing you, I'd bet cash money it doesn't jive). Harping on about expecting "nothing but the best" or whatever has no actual meaning, which is where the "you sound like terrible retail management" part came in.

Is this clear enough now? Do we still have to go through the whole "you quote this, ignore everything in it and keep posting your assertions as if they're law" part, or can we skip ahead to another angle of this stupid, stupid topic?



Actually it's about how we, the players, need to understand the duality required for the CSM to be anything but a joke. They NEED to help CCP to be able to have a hope of helping us, and oftentimes that help of CCP will be in turn helping us.

The reality is that we as players have very little say in this, and will likely continue to have less say (esp. if the CCP-chosen Dust council works well for them - expect to see the CSM moved even more in that direction). You can be realistic about this and hope/encourage the CSM to use what they still have available, or we can pull a Frying Doom and throw histrionic fits and make demands as if we have any leverage to do so.