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Ganjjabeard
Black Vanguard Ops
#1 - 2011-10-17 22:09:04 UTC
hi im just posting to notify you guys of something quite frustrating me and some corpies keep running into.
so over the past few weeks we've done plex's here n there, some leading to escalation sites and all of which take alot of firepower and time to complete. the frustrating thing is WE KEEP NOT GETTING ANY DAMN DROPS!
what happened?! why are the plexs suddenly not dropping valuable stuff to make up for our lost ships and ammo and time to complete these missions!? im not asking for a 100 billion ISK drop just something to keep up the incentive to scan these sites down which can take up to half an hour sometimes to an hour and then DO the site (another hour or more depending on situation) at least drop SOMETHING that we can sell and make some money and be happy to wanna do it again....
any one else feel the same way?
cheers

GET IN THE VAN
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-10-17 22:10:05 UTC
RNG doesn't like you, keep trying and you'll get a nice mod
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Ganjjabeard
Black Vanguard Ops
#3 - 2011-10-17 22:14:40 UTC
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
RNG doesn't like you, keep trying and you'll get a nice mod


^

couldnt be any more of a useless post
anyone here older than this 13 yr old who can discuss this topic with some useful info / experiences?

GET IN THE VAN
Buzz Terbludvessel
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-10-17 22:16:27 UTC
Takes a while after several paltry drops and slim pickings, a few weeks ago I finally got some Overseer loot and a Cynabal BP for my trouble ...
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2011-10-17 22:19:10 UTC
Ganjjabeard wrote:
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
RNG doesn't like you, keep trying and you'll get a nice mod


^

couldnt be any more of a useless post
anyone here older than this 13 yr old who can discuss this topic with some useful info / experiences?


Im in my 20s and I agree with him.

You're an idiot and you fail to understand what actually makes things valuable: rarity.
Mnemosyne Gloob
#6 - 2011-10-17 22:22:01 UTC
Ganjjabeard wrote:
[snip]missions!?[/snip]
cheers



They are not.


Also you so get bounties, so it is not like you don't get anything.
Ganjjabeard
Black Vanguard Ops
#7 - 2011-10-17 22:24:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Ganjjabeard
XXSketchxx wrote:
Ganjjabeard wrote:
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
RNG doesn't like you, keep trying and you'll get a nice mod


^

couldnt be any more of a useless post
anyone here older than this 13 yr old who can discuss this topic with some useful info / experiences?


Im in my 20s and I agree with him.

You're an idiot and you fail to understand what actually makes things valuable: rarity.



again another useless ass shooting his mouth on the internet...

you maybe in your 20s but u fail to read what i said when i mentioned not expecting a "100 bil ISK drop" and said at least a little somethin somethin to keep me comin back for more... doin 5 plexs each taking 3 hours to complete in all 5 of those the best i got was a shield extender and a 10mn mwd lol
so YOU are the idiot for doing tons of em and not getting **** and being ok with it. i on the other hand am not ok with it and want something as a reward for my time otherwise i would just sit in station with all my missiles and twiddle my fingers till someone gives me isk

yea bounties are ok but definitely not enough to make up for time and resources spent doing the missions....

GET IN THE VAN
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#8 - 2011-10-17 22:27:44 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Ganjjabeard wrote:
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
RNG doesn't like you, keep trying and you'll get a nice mod


^

couldnt be any more of a useless post
anyone here older than this 13 yr old who can discuss this topic with some useful info / experiences?


Im in my 20s and I agree with him.

You're an idiot and you fail to understand what actually makes things valuable: rarity.


Two of the people in this quote tree know what they're talking about (and neither of them are the OP). Not trying to be rude or anything, but random is random, you're not guaranteed anything from the sites.

Also, if it's taking you 30-60 min to scan down a site, you're doing something wrong. I've cleared a system with 20+ sigs in an hour (with so-so skills, not a maxed prober), it shouldn't take an hour to pin down one sig.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#9 - 2011-10-17 22:30:16 UTC
Ganjjabeard wrote:

again another useless ass shooting his mouth on the internet...

you maybe in your 20s but u fail to read what i said when i mentioned not expecting a "100 bil ISK drop" and said at least a little somethin somethin to keep me comin back for more... doin 5 plexs each taking 3 hours to complete in all 5 of those the best i got was a shield extender and a 10mn mwd lol
so YOU are the idiot for doing tons of em and not getting **** and being ok with it. i on the other hand am not ok with it and want something as a reward for my time otherwise i would just sit in station with all my missiles and twiddle my fingers till someone gives me isk

yea bounties are ok but definitely not enough to make up for time and resources spent doing the missions....


I'm in my 20s and I took a prob and stat class or something. Actually I think I dropped that class, as its a lot of common sense that most anyone can get with a bit of logic.

Except you apparently. Does sample size mean anything to you? 5 whole plexes? 5????????????? and 3 hours ????????? (implying that your time spent has an effect on the odds of the site dropping something)

Also, when did I say I did "tons of em" and got nothing?

But you know, keeping being e-mad that you have bad luck. Or you can get out there, find more sites, increase your sample size and as a result, your odds of actually getting a decent drop. Or is that a bit too much for you to handle?
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#10 - 2011-10-17 22:31:46 UTC
Ganjjabeard wrote:

you maybe in your 20s but u fail to read what i said when i mentioned not expecting a "100 bil ISK drop" and said at least a little somethin somethin to keep me comin back for more... doin 5 plexs each taking 3 hours to complete in all 5 of those the best i got was a shield extender and a 10mn mwd lol
so YOU are the idiot for doing tons of em and not getting **** and being ok with it. i on the other hand am not ok with it and want something as a reward for my time otherwise i would just sit in station with all my missiles and twiddle my fingers till someone gives me isk

yea bounties are ok but definitely not enough to make up for time and resources spent doing the missions....


The thing you're complaining about, the long dry spells broken up by huge windfalls, is the main attraction of exploring for many of us. If you want steady income, go do missions or incursions, exploring is for people who like the thrill of finding something special and valuable after long periods of not finding much of anything.

If exploring isn't worth it to you, don't do it, it's as simple as that.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2011-10-17 22:32:27 UTC
I'm going to be generous and help you out OP as it seems you don't fully understand how this works. Below I am going to quote St. Mio, a friend and someone who understands the system and has previously explained it quite well:

St Mio wrote:


tl;dr Random loot is random

Loot drops are (as far as we players know), independent random events. The probability of getting loot drop the overseer remains the same each time you run it.

· The difficulty of the site does not influence the outcome.
· The risk you took does not influence the outcome.
· The effort you expended does not influence the outcome.
· The amount of empty wrecks you've gotten before this one does not influence the outcome.
· How much karma you've saved up does not influence the outcome.

The only thing you can do to increase your chance of getting more of these random drops is to run more sites!

Sites are an infinite resource (as they continuously respawn).

Your time however, is a finite resource.

Therefore, you need to reduce the amount of time you spend per site so you can run more sites in the same timeframe. The probability per event remains the same, but by repeating the event more often, you get a better chance of getting loot.

If you're doing a non-rated site, and the dice rolls and says you get an escalation, and the dice keeps rolling all the way till the final escalation, it does not mean you are guaranteed or entitled to getting drops from the overseer.

Each of those random events, from getting the next escalation, to having a faction rat spawn, to it dropping decent loot, is an individual event. Just because all of them so far were positive doesn't mean they'll keep going that way.



Relevant link

Now are you done making a fool of yourself?
Ganjjabeard
Black Vanguard Ops
#12 - 2011-10-17 22:36:22 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
I'm going to be generous and help you out OP as it seems you don't fully understand how this works. Below I am going to quote St. Mio, a friend and someone who understands the system and has previously explained it quite well:

St Mio wrote:


tl;dr Random loot is random

Loot drops are (as far as we players know), independent random events. The probability of getting loot drop the overseer remains the same each time you run it.

· The difficulty of the site does not influence the outcome.
· The risk you took does not influence the outcome.
· The effort you expended does not influence the outcome.
· The amount of empty wrecks you've gotten before this one does not influence the outcome.
· How much karma you've saved up does not influence the outcome.

The only thing you can do to increase your chance of getting more of these random drops is to run more sites!

Sites are an infinite resource (as they continuously respawn).

Your time however, is a finite resource.

Therefore, you need to reduce the amount of time you spend per site so you can run more sites in the same timeframe. The probability per event remains the same, but by repeating the event more often, you get a better chance of getting loot.

If you're doing a non-rated site, and the dice rolls and says you get an escalation, and the dice keeps rolling all the way till the final escalation, it does not mean you are guaranteed or entitled to getting drops from the overseer.

Each of those random events, from getting the next escalation, to having a faction rat spawn, to it dropping decent loot, is an individual event. Just because all of them so far were positive doesn't mean they'll keep going that way.



Relevant link

Now are you done making a fool of yourself?



all i wanted was this sort of information for clarity.
maybe if you posted this earlier i would be able to walk away with some confidence in my fellow capsuleers. but apparently i will sleep tonight knowing that somewhere out there, there is a moron mother ****** such as yourself who feels the need to be an asshat shithead to people asking for a little clarity

GET IN THE VAN
Will Strafe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-10-17 22:37:32 UTC
Ganjjabeard wrote:
XXSketchxx wrote:
Ganjjabeard wrote:
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
RNG doesn't like you, keep trying and you'll get a nice mod


^

couldnt be any more of a useless post
anyone here older than this 13 yr old who can discuss this topic with some useful info / experiences?


Im in my 20s and I agree with him.

You're an idiot and you fail to understand what actually makes things valuable: rarity.



again another useless ass shooting his mouth on the internet...

you maybe in your 20s but u fail to read what i said when i mentioned not expecting a "100 bil ISK drop" and said at least a little somethin somethin to keep me comin back for more... doin 5 plexs each taking 3 hours to complete in all 5 of those the best i got was a shield extender and a 10mn mwd lol
so YOU are the idiot for doing tons of em and not getting **** and being ok with it. i on the other hand am not ok with it and want something as a reward for my time otherwise i would just sit in station with all my missiles and twiddle my fingers till someone gives me isk

yea bounties are ok but definitely not enough to make up for time and resources spent doing the missions....


What you seem to fail to understand is, that if CCP increased the droprate of a certain module, let's say it's worth 100 million. Then soon it would only be worth 40 million, as the market got flooded.

The risk/effort/reward is actually determined by the players. The price has been finely calibrated by other players before you came in, and the price reflects the rarity you are now confronted with.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#14 - 2011-10-17 22:40:52 UTC  |  Edited by: XXSketchxx
Ganjjabeard wrote:


all i wanted was this sort of information for clarity.
maybe if you posted this earlier i would be able to walk away with some confidence in my fellow capsuleers. but apparently i will sleep tonight knowing that somewhere out there, there is a moron mother ****** such as yourself who feels the need to be an asshat shithead to people asking for a little clarity


u mad bro?

The first guy gave you your answer. You rejected it because you came here with an agenda, you wanted people to agree with you and stroke your confirmation bias. However, if you had done a bit of work/research yourself, you would have learned this without making a "waaaaaaaaaaah I gettin no shinies" thread.

I responded the way I did because you acted like a tool in your response to him and frankly, your initial post was nothing but a sea of tears.

But you know, keep crying and all that.
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-17 22:51:27 UTC
LOL, you are not entitled to a damn thing. /thread

I have more space likes than you. 
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2011-10-17 23:48:33 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
But you know, keep crying and all that.


I think XXSketchxx has covered it quite nicely, and has done so without calling the OP all the sorts of names that others are doubtlessly tempted to. Well done XXSketchxx.

It's not clear whether OP was driven by an inflated sense of entitlement, lack of understanding, or both, but either way he's not going to help himself by hostile responses to ppl who tell him how it is .... no matter how much he dislikes their advice.

The first response was correct, in that (paraphrasing) if you keep at it you **will** get those nice drops. It's just that many things like that are random and low probability ... which is what keeps those items coveted and expensive.

BTW exploration is broken




I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Aggressive Nutmeg
#17 - 2011-10-18 00:07:17 UTC
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
RNG doesn't like you, keep trying and you'll get a nice mod


The answer probably is this simple.

If it were not the case, and CCP had reduced item-drop probabilities, the evidence would be increased prices of said items over time. Has this happened? You tell me, I haven't checked.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Brynhilda
Chimp Hoons Export and Expo Service
Scary Wormhole People
#18 - 2011-10-18 01:19:11 UTC
Oh noes!

The plexes are not dropping stuff!!

Exploration is broken and we're 13 year olds if we don't agree with you!

Logic is broken!

How may I drug you with drugs?
Czeris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-10-18 02:51:20 UTC
3/10 only because you got so many to take your bait.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#20 - 2011-10-18 02:56:33 UTC
My shiny new Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster says exploration is just fine.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
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