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Lack of asteroids for north american market

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Nitrus Nine
#41 - 2013-04-22 09:30:16 UTC
I can find hi-sec belts with top-end high sec ore even an hour before downtime, within 2 jumps of my home system. It's not hard, just don't be ********, fit a goddamn tank, and stay aligned.

Or in other words Dear America, get off your lazy fat arse and go somewhere other than 1.0 and 0.9
Grund Soul
The Bitter Vet Club Inc.
#42 - 2013-04-22 10:08:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Grund Soul
Atroken Ahashion wrote:
Hi all,
Well i'm getting tired of finding asteroid fields when i get on eve at my time frame.


This is due to the fact that reboot time for eve is at 3am my time, so when i get on 6 hours later, there are no asteroid fields left in high sec to spend productive mining time on.

They are mostly depleted.

I have moved several times, going some days up to 6 jumps in a retriever to find anything cause local systems are empty, that is a waste of my real game time money.


And going to null or low sec, LOL, why, us newbs are already getting ganked in high sec mining belts, why should i add to my frustrations, protection is not always guaranteed.

Am sorry to say, i might be looking at quitting this game, not favourable for north american market.

Any ideas, suggestions or areas of amarr i have not mined in, or anyone feeling up to helping this new player out, that would be most welcome.


tyvm



Wow do you need some cheese with that whine, seriously I live in the US and I can say personally 5 minutes before downtime there is plenty of roids untouched in every part of highsec / Lowsec / Null. You sir take lazy to a whole new level.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#43 - 2013-04-22 14:17:15 UTC
There are lots of systems in highsec that have literally dozens of belts, and from my experience (which is mostly landing in belts to annoy other players, rather than mine anything...) the belts are fine even 9-10 hours after DT.

Try moving away from the trade hubs / newb systems.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#44 - 2013-04-22 15:53:02 UTC
While I understand the mentality of "LOL, move further nub!" I can see what he's getting at.

I'm starting to see it too. Almost every 0.5 we travel to seems to have people stripping it clean daily.

CCP, can we get some sort of metrics on how many roids deplete per system and/or how many systems ever reach belt depletion? The further and further out from trade hubs miners have to go the more adverse new people will be to mining.

It's kinda sad that Veldspar is more valuable than omber right now and scordite is the most valuable ore in all of highsec.

Do we really need that much pyerite and tritanium?! Scordite has been on top for a while now, and even though it is just as abundant as veldspar the price isn't being driven down much at all by people mining it.

We need either denser roids or new refiner values if we ever wanna make low end minerals actually have low end value (per m3 of ore mined).

Also why the hell does kernite show up in Caldari and Minmatar lowsec? why not dark ochre?!

ABCs and Mercoxit can be the null sec ores.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#45 - 2013-04-22 16:06:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
Ive noticed this issue too. I'm far from Jita and mine in a system with no stations and over a dozen belts. Usually there is ore, but many times its been stripped clean. I have sometimes had to go to system after system, belt after belt, to finally find ore. Going 6 jumps to find ore is not just doing 6 warps. A system with 10 belts requires 10 warps to see if any belt has ore. Do that 6 times: 60 warps. In an Exhumer. A few times I had to give up; I ran out of time to be on Eve before finding a system with ore.

Several suggestions I have seen to help the situation:

Have a long range scanner that will tell you how much ore is in each belt (to speed up the search).
Have roids spawn all through the day.
Have mission belts persist after the mission has been turned in.
Add some low end grav sites with the basic ores.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#46 - 2013-04-22 18:47:43 UTC
use the map statistics if you're getting frustrated. 0.5 sec status systems with low activity or no station in system are always a good bet. if the system or the system next door has a station with the best base refine efficiency (50%?) then you've hit gold, or kenite more likely. and you can most likely tap this system every time you want to mine and contract the minerals if it's really far away from a trade hub, it's really very inexpensive.

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Vae. Victis.
#47 - 2013-04-22 19:15:01 UTC
Optionally, you could always train up one of your alts as a suicide ganker and force the competition out. Smile

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#48 - 2013-04-22 19:16:21 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
While I understand the mentality of "LOL, move further nub!" I can see what he's getting at.

I'm starting to see it too. Almost every 0.5 we travel to seems to have people stripping it clean daily.

CCP, can we get some sort of metrics on how many roids deplete per system and/or how many systems ever reach belt depletion? The further and further out from trade hubs miners have to go the more adverse new people will be to mining.

It's kinda sad that Veldspar is more valuable than omber right now and scordite is the most valuable ore in all of highsec.

Do we really need that much pyerite and tritanium?! Scordite has been on top for a while now, and even though it is just as abundant as veldspar the price isn't being driven down much at all by people mining it.

We need either denser roids or new refiner values if we ever wanna make low end minerals actually have low end value (per m3 of ore mined).

Also why the hell does kernite show up in Caldari and Minmatar lowsec? why not dark ochre?!

ABCs and Mercoxit can be the null sec ores.


There is one reason why scordite holds better value, IMO: asteroids are small and thus less proficent to bot. The average scordite asteroid will waste most of any third cycle before depleting and triggering the bot to lock another one.
Dyphorus
Inritus Astrum
#49 - 2013-04-22 20:14:20 UTC
Considering that there is a constant amount of Ore at any given time, roids respawn in another system when depleted in one, you simply need to find them.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#50 - 2013-04-22 20:22:45 UTC
Dyphorus wrote:
Considering that there is a constant amount of Ore at any given time, roids respawn in another system when depleted in one, you simply need to find them.

It does not work like that. That is the Cosmic Anomally and Cosmic Signature way of re-spawn. In the public belts roids re-spawn or grow at down time.

Oddly in the last month or so this problem has been slightly less. Last night I actually found plenty of ore with little searching. On a Sunday night (US west coast time), usually the worst possible time to get ore.

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Yeti Cave
#51 - 2013-04-23 02:15:59 UTC
Atroken Ahashion wrote:
Hi all,
Well i'm getting tired of finding asteroid fields when i get on eve at my time frame.


This is due to the fact that reboot time for eve is at 3am my time, so when i get on 6 hours later, there are no asteroid fields left in high sec to spend productive mining time on.

They are mostly depleted.

I have moved several times, going some days up to 6 jumps in a retriever to find anything cause local systems are empty, that is a waste of my real game time money.


And going to null or low sec, LOL, why, us newbs are already getting ganked in high sec mining belts, why should i add to my frustrations, protection is not always guaranteed.

Am sorry to say, i might be looking at quitting this game, not favourable for north american market.

Any ideas, suggestions or areas of amarr i have not mined in, or anyone feeling up to helping this new player out, that would be most welcome.


tyvm



I hear the goons space has tons and tons of unmined belts
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#52 - 2013-04-23 03:02:29 UTC
(a) go to dotlan, click on your desired region, click on systems till you find one without a station. Congratulations you just found maxgrowth roids an hour before downtime. Bonus points for choosing a deadend that nobody goes to where you don't get ganked.

(b) mining missions

(c) do low level combat missions until you get a big belt, and then mine that - bonus points for being in a private deadspace where only combat probes can find you and enjoy your relatively gankfree existence.

(d) probe some gravs.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#53 - 2013-04-23 03:19:37 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
(a) go to dotlan, click on your desired region, click on systems till you find one without a station. Congratulations you just found maxgrowth roids an hour before downtime. Bonus points for choosing a deadend that nobody goes to where you don't get ganked.

(b) mining missions

(c) do low level combat missions until you get a big belt, and then mine that - bonus points for being in a private deadspace where only combat probes can find you and enjoy your relatively gankfree existence.

(d) probe some gravs.

That involves effort, and thus will not happen.

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dark heartt
#54 - 2013-04-23 04:30:01 UTC
Xercodo wrote:

Do we really need that much pyerite and tritanium?! Scordite has been on top for a while now, and even though it is just as abundant as veldspar the price isn't being driven down much at all by people mining it.


To answer that first question, yes. Yes we do. Tritanium is the basic building block of EVERYTHING and pyerite is pretty close to that too.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#55 - 2013-04-23 04:43:42 UTC
dark heartt wrote:
Xercodo wrote:

Do we really need that much pyerite and tritanium?! Scordite has been on top for a while now, and even though it is just as abundant as veldspar the price isn't being driven down much at all by people mining it.


To answer that first question, yes. Yes we do. Tritanium is the basic building block of EVERYTHING and pyerite is pretty close to that too.


That was partially rhetorical. Of course those are the two most needed minerals in volume, but why do they remain in such high value? They are so abundant that they should be driven into the ground in value.

The botting thing sorta makes sense....maybe.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#56 - 2013-04-23 06:16:57 UTC
As the single largest group of players are in the U.S. it may well be something CCP will look at in time.

"He who pays the piper calls the tune" and all that class of thing.

Mind you, as others have said, just move away from the major trade hubs etc and there are plenty of belts to mine.

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Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2013-04-23 07:45:02 UTC
If you cant find rocks, fix your overview settings
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#58 - 2013-04-23 08:01:30 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
dark heartt wrote:
Xercodo wrote:

Do we really need that much pyerite and tritanium?! Scordite has been on top for a while now, and even though it is just as abundant as veldspar the price isn't being driven down much at all by people mining it.


To answer that first question, yes. Yes we do. Tritanium is the basic building block of EVERYTHING and pyerite is pretty close to that too.


That was partially rhetorical. Of course those are the two most needed minerals in volume, but why do they remain in such high value? They are so abundant that they should be driven into the ground in value.

The botting thing sorta makes sense....maybe.


Because 0.0 mineral supply is grossly imbalanced towards the ABCs.

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Dave Stark
#59 - 2013-04-23 08:24:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Malcanis wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
dark heartt wrote:
Xercodo wrote:

Do we really need that much pyerite and tritanium?! Scordite has been on top for a while now, and even though it is just as abundant as veldspar the price isn't being driven down much at all by people mining it.


To answer that first question, yes. Yes we do. Tritanium is the basic building block of EVERYTHING and pyerite is pretty close to that too.


That was partially rhetorical. Of course those are the two most needed minerals in volume, but why do they remain in such high value? They are so abundant that they should be driven into the ground in value.

The botting thing sorta makes sense....maybe.


Because 0.0 mineral supply is grossly imbalanced towards the ABCs.


just to illustrate the point malcanis makes; the most lucrative grav site in 0.0 contains exactly 0 veld, pyrox, and plagi.

also as a side point; the value of scordite is falling, just over a month ago it was worth over 6m isk per jetcan, now it's worth ~5.8m. then again, minerals have been reasonably unstable in terms of price for about a year or so now with the drone poop removal, meta loot changes, and tiericide speculation.
dark heartt
#60 - 2013-04-23 08:36:51 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
dark heartt wrote:
Xercodo wrote:

Do we really need that much pyerite and tritanium?! Scordite has been on top for a while now, and even though it is just as abundant as veldspar the price isn't being driven down much at all by people mining it.


To answer that first question, yes. Yes we do. Tritanium is the basic building block of EVERYTHING and pyerite is pretty close to that too.


That was partially rhetorical. Of course those are the two most needed minerals in volume, but why do they remain in such high value? They are so abundant that they should be driven into the ground in value.

The botting thing sorta makes sense....maybe.


Because 0.0 mineral supply is grossly imbalanced towards the ABCs.


just to illustrate the point malcanis makes; the most lucrative grav site in 0.0 contains exactly 0 veld, pyrox, and plagi.


Exactly. While 0.0 really only mine the ABCs highsec is the bottleneck for all of the low ends. That is why mining in highsec (esp mining veld) still remains profitable and there are still teams of guys (and bots I assume) flying around targeting purely veld and scordite.