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Suggest gurista ratting ship, please
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Illiar D'Anaari
Lassandar
#21 - 2013-04-21 14:42:08 UTC
Get yourself EveHQ or EFT, or any similar program that will let you load up your character and his skills and let you do virtual fits on your ship. This will give you an immediate idea as to what combination of modules will give you an optimal tank as well as the maximum dps you can put out.

Going from amarr ships to a drake is a pretty big leap in terms of cross training, since you're going from a gun+armor race to a missile+shield ship. If you plan on using guns as a future goal, and you already have armor tanking skills from being amarr, it might be a good idea to switch from caldari to gallente. With BC5, all you'd need is to train frigate and cruisers to have access to a brutix or a talos, both of which could do very well as ratting ships.

Generally speaking, if you need modules that give you +powergrid or +cpu and nothing else, this should give you a hint that you need more core skills (specifically Engineering, Electronics, and probably weapon upgrade and advanced weapon upgrade)
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2013-04-22 00:42:50 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
EDIT: I have Battlecruiser V.

I'm pretty far away from any of these T2 modules like launchers and what not. My preference is not to waste too many skill points in launchers that I may not use much later as I'll probably be into guns (drake and missles was a side-shoot for me specifically for ratting). In truth, I was strictly Amarr and lasers before getting this Caldari ship. Having said that, I'll do what you guys recommend if possible.

I won't post the exact fit, but I'll give you the general gist of what I've been running.

HIGHS:

I have 2 sets of launchers I've used in the highs. Initially it was 6 heavy missle launchers. Later I switched to Arbalest heavy assault missle launchers.

Also, because I had trouble with rats repairing shields as I knocked them down, I have tried both a medium neut in the utility high, and a nosferatu unit. The one kill against a Conquistador I was able to achieve was with the neut.

MIDS:

Have tried various combos of shield extenders, and two types of resist units. One type gave across the board resists. Other type was kinetic resist at 50% or thereabouts. Also tried running a shield repair/restore unit, and a shield boost amplifier. Also, I use a mwd because the rats spawn very far away and I have to get to them quickly before they take down all of my shield.

LOWS:

Damage control I, Ballistic control II, plus 2 reactor control units.

RIGS:

Medium core defense field purger, Medium hydraulic bay thrusters I

I know I could just keep training for upgrades and launchers, but if 'big guns' will do the trick (and I plan to be in those anyway sooner or later) should I just try to jump into those?

EDIT:

I did try running 4 drones also, but they seemed to target and kill the drones quickly, so I stopped doing that.


You have purgers for rigs, you should passive tank it. Put in some shield power relays and don't omni tank it. Maybe make all rigs purgers especially if you plan on brawling them.
I would however suggest a bomber if you are only belt ratting. I run my manticore without a bomb launcher when belt ratting and with a micro aux, maybe an ancil rig. can't remember, you can fit an AB, TP medium shield ext and a medium ancil shield boost, hardly need it.. but always better to be safe than sorry and it has saved me on some occasions. Just orbit at range with ab and you will take very little damage. I also fit a cloak for safety.
Asmodai Xodai
#23 - 2013-04-22 01:23:49 UTC
Cage Man wrote:

You have purgers for rigs, you should passive tank it. Put in some shield power relays and don't omni tank it. Maybe make all rigs purgers especially if you plan on brawling them.
I would however suggest a bomber if you are only belt ratting. I run my manticore without a bomb launcher when belt ratting and with a micro aux, maybe an ancil rig. can't remember, you can fit an AB, TP medium shield ext and a medium ancil shield boost, hardly need it.. but always better to be safe than sorry and it has saved me on some occasions. Just orbit at range with ab and you will take very little damage. I also fit a cloak for safety.


Interesting advice. I did plan to be into stealth bombers at some point or another.

Thanks.
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-04-22 12:27:05 UTC
Asmodai Xodai wrote:
I've run some numbers, and 5% better missle here and 5% better shield or grid there isn't gonna do much against what I'm currently going against.

Remember that the rats regenerate their HP quite a lot. The longer it takes to kill a rat, the more HP you'll have to burn through, thus, the shorter, the less. A 5% might seem quite trivial but it's actually more effective than just 5% in practice.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-04-22 14:00:32 UTC
Okay I'll put in my 2 cents.


I'f you have trouble tanking rats with a Drake stay the hel away from bombers.



Ham's do more damage true but you need to get realy close, not worth it.


High

6 Aberlest HM Launchers

Mid

- AB MN10 II
- Large Shield Extender II x 3
- Kinetic shield Hardener II
- Invunrability Field II

Low

BCU II x 2
Sield power relay II 2

Riggs

3 x Medium shield Purger


Ammo CN Scourge heavy missiles

get your self a couple 3% implants rof and HM damage not that expensive.

Focus in the shield extenders because of the passive tank More shield will make your shield regenaration higher.
Fret Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-04-22 14:12:03 UTC
Why not go with a prophecy? Sounds like you primarily fly amarr you'll want to do drone skills anyway at some point. So no wasted sp.
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#27 - 2013-04-22 16:47:18 UTC
using drake for belt ratting is a big overkill, too much tank, ot much dps. talos is perfect for gurista ratting, because you can field 5 small drones to get rid of tackling frigs. That's why you shouldn't do it in naga
Naoru Kozan
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-04-24 05:17:56 UTC
Try something like this:

[Drake, Gurista Ratting]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Supplemental Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Prototype Cloaking Device I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5

763 DPS with all level V skills.

If CPU is a problem you can drop a BCU for a Co-Processor II. The hardeners in the mids can also be tweaked. You could drop the passive kinetic amp for a target painter. MWD and cloak are really hand for null ratting. MWD + Cloak trick is great if you get caught on a gate by a hostile gang. Reds in local? Cloak up and go play Somer Blink.
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