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Why Jita Burns

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mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-04-19 23:20:04 UTC
The mewling hordes of Empire loyalists have many theories as to why Goonswarm has chosen once again to Burn Jita, making a tradition of last year's event. Some say it's an expression of anger over CONCORD sanctions of The Mittani. Others claim there is a profit motive, and still others profess the belief that it's naught more than the childish actions of a band of sociopathic capsuleers gone rogue. Of course, to most of those taking part, it's more of a sporting event than anything else.

This year, though, there's a deeper point.

This year, Jita burns as a message.


Let me tell you a story.

In YC106, CONCORD revealed the existence of deep space starbases in what we refer to these days as nullsec, linked to each other and other systems in those regions by stargates. The infrastructure had been built up by pirates, smugglers, outlaws and the like, and while they weren't up to Empire standards, they were also free for the taking, not subject to the laws of the Empires. Capsuleers banded together to seize and inhabit the regions, and before long, CONCORD granted formal recognition to these alliances, and licensed starbase tech for capsuleer use. Not long after, blueprints for Outposts were developed by (or as many suspect, provided to) capsuleers, and before long, those very same alliances erected outposts to supplement the existing stations. Capsuleer 'empires' were born.

Now, if the facilities of the original outlaw stations can be called substandard, then the facilities of these capsuleer built Outposts are, sad to say, outright crippled. They excel at one thing, sure, but one thing only. A factory station, outwardly of Amarrian design, has factories whose production capabilities actually outstrip those typically found in Empire regions, but it's capable of almost nothing else. Anyone utilizing the factories must rely on a refining station, notionally of Matar origin, to come by the refined materials for construction. Not only is the station also capable of little more than refining, but it doesn't do that very well, either - only exceptional skill (and overriding of safety features) allows a so-called perfect yield. Similarly, Caldari stations offer excellent research facilities, but little else, and in a perhaps ironic reference to the (in)famous Gallente bureaucracy, the outposts bearing their architecture are usable as little more than office space. And if that weren't bad enough, something within the blueprints for these stations prevents their deployment when another outpost is present in that system, which further impedes industrial efforts. Freighter travel through null ain't like dusting crops, after all. The industrial facilities of the starbase towers are hardly worth mentioning. The refinery modules are hard coded to literally destroy usable material, and storage hangers lack the quantum packing units found onboard stations, limiting the amount of material a manufacturing line can use. The limits of Outposts and Starbases alike are hard-coded into the blueprints, protected by an unbreakable DRM scheme and so persist despite our best efforts.

It's little wonder that many of us have a very cynical view on the outposts. The theory that they’re part of a manipulation by the Empires is not uncommon, because it all seems to convenient. Let the more rebellious independent types populate the outer regions. We refuse to be the pets of the Empires anyway, so it keeps us out of their hair, and keeps the pirates and other criminals that flock to the lawless space in check. But letting us grow unchecked would risk a direct challenge to the Empires, which they couldn't accept. Crippling our industrial capabilities helps prevent that.

There's no proof of conspiracy - for the best ones, there never is - and it remains a tin foil hat theory. True or not, we have persisted. In the early years, our needs were small, and the crippled industry facilities were adequate. But over the years, our numbers have swelled, and with it our demand for ships. More recently, supplying the raw materials began to be an issue as well. Improved scanner technology uncovered hidden asteroid fields in deadspace, yet these fields always seemed peculiarly short of the less valuable yet crucial ores, even as rumors of the existence of "super ores" with ultra-high mineral concentrations. But if the scanning tech to give truth to those rumors exists, it certainly hasn't been shared with us.

Thanks to the application of jump technology to freighters, logisticians for the capsuleer alliances find it easier to simply haul entire ships out to our sovereign space. We produce capital ships not by mining locally, but by purchasing items with particularly dense mineral content, hauling them to our refineries, and melting them down. It's ridiculous, yes, but it's true. And as nearly half of all commercial activity in all of New Eden is carried out right there in the 4-4 Navy Assembly Plant, we're tied to Jita, and through it, the rest of Empire. I'm sure Caldari leadership would credit the existence of Jita to their business acumen. I call it dumb luck, myself. Regardless, it is what it is, and “what it is” is the cornerstone of our logistics networks. We appreciate its stability, and do not like that stability threatened.

That brings us back to the message. We cannot destroy Jita. CONCORD generously demonstrated their fallibility in the past, but they'd be enough of an obstacle to prevent us from doing so. Nevertheless, there are those who can, and they style themselves the leaders of the Caldari State. Or rather, he styles himself the leader of the Caldari State. Tibus Heth. His vision for the State is admirable. His actions are not. He will destabilize the State, and with it, our supply lines, which is unacceptable. And so today, the opposition forces have gained an ally of sorts, another voice. Our actions in Jita are a manifestation of that voice, of our message.

Heth must go.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

Zero Vigilant
Adamantine Corporation
#2 - 2013-04-19 23:24:21 UTC
Although I do not agree with your methods, I do agree with the fact that Heth must go.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-04-19 23:31:03 UTC
Too long. Didn't read.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

DeadRow
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-04-19 23:40:50 UTC  |  Edited by: DeadRow
It's cute when Goons try and act like they care.

Just a note, how does killing a bunch of freighters harm Heth's position? You destroy ships, pilots buy more ships, the SCC get all those lovely taxes which I'm sure the State probably gets a cut of.

'***** and giggles' is more than enough of a reason, don't try and insult people's intelligence claiming it's for anything else.

-Hikari
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#5 - 2013-04-19 23:42:00 UTC
Here is the attention you crave, filth.

Your wall of text was to long. I did not read it.

Your supposed political message (extrapolated from the pitiful mewling of other goons and the statemnt of pilot Vigilant here) is a lie. Your doing this to feel relevant and important, there is no other reason for this.

It took me about 25.4 seconds to make this post, and it's all you get. Enjoy it.

Savor it.
Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-04-19 23:42:01 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Too long. Didn't read.


It basically says Indy corps should be encouraged to double the price of Tritanium in protest of Tiberius Heth.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#7 - 2013-04-19 23:49:35 UTC
it is because of tib bits like this I voted for her on CSM. But never fear, next year Jita will burn because the Amarr are to regilous, the Minmatar wants to stay free, or the Fedreation makes too much porn. But I ill bite and support the Heth must go cause.

Blasters for life

https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#8 - 2013-04-20 00:08:27 UTC
Why make it messy? Sometimes the best reason is simply "because we can."
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#9 - 2013-04-20 03:04:53 UTC
Heth threatens your supply lines. Instead of acting out against the State you fire on Capsuleer supply lines. Does that about sum it up?
Heinel Coventina
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-04-20 03:08:51 UTC
Not to mention, "Jita" cannot be destroyed, not because you cannot make the station explode, but because another Jita will replace it if you did.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-04-20 03:17:16 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Heth threatens your supply lines. Instead of acting out against the State you fire on Capsuleer supply lines. Does that about sum it up?


That new brain dear daddy Sansha issued you doesn't work too well does it now sweetheart? Foolish of me to think it was obvious to everyone. Interdicting Jita is acting out against the State, or did you think that they don't bother to assess taxes and fees on the half of commerce in New Eden that passes through that system daily?

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-04-20 04:23:03 UTC
The point is that this is capsuleer commerce, which in terms of scale is minute in comparison to the market forces of the four major empires. Disrupting it will not be of any particular hindrance to Heth or the State in general - in fact, the only notable impact it will have on the State is that it will increase ship and module demand in Jita as downed ships need replacing. Supply is unlikely to be seriously disrupted by your efforts as they're neccessarily fairly short-term. Prices will spike, which means broker fees and SCC taxes will be larger. Given that the broker will be an employee of the Caldari Navy and the State likely gets a cut of SCC taxes on items sold in its jurisdiction, you're most likely just increasing the money the State gets.

Goons were a lot more admirable before they lost their balls and decided they needed a moral justification for their actions that takes longer than three words to describe.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#13 - 2013-04-20 04:48:23 UTC
Posting in a "who gives a crap about Goons or Jita" thread... Roll

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-04-20 07:29:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Fey Ivory
Captain Mynnna

though i see the idea to what you are trying to point at, i sort of fail to understand the point, capsulars work under differing laws then that of the Empires, we are free to roam among the empires as long as our personal actions do not hinder that... also as a capsular organisation, i dont deny many of those that roam and have carved themself territory and wealth, but despite this, you cant really honestly beleave you can compare that with the four empires.

Each of the four Empires have several hundred highly devolped worlds, many of them having several billions of people on each world, its a work force that create a economy, that fules a industry that, you simply cant compete with... you might be rich, you might done well, but you are still only a few thousend capsulars and those you been able to employ under very hard conditions in many cases hostile space, if i should make references in history, its like those mining colonies that "boom" for years, while there is the preachious minerals to be mined, and you got there, you exploited it, and im sure many of you, got very rich.

So, by shooting capsulars, you are bascially only hurting that tiny fraction of trade capsulars do, you want to go after Heth, then shouldent you target the infrastructure of what Heth controls, and in this case war against the Caldari State ?

I am not saying you shouldent or should, personally i have very good ties both within the Federation and the State, and i enjoy it for what it is !, i meerly dont see how the actions done have anything what so ever to do with Heth
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#15 - 2013-04-20 07:48:42 UTC
Sure is a lot of ad hominem in this thread. This seems to be a fairly standard case with capsuleers, I've noticed.
Rana Ash
Gradient
Electus Matari
#16 - 2013-04-20 11:28:26 UTC
Can't you guys start a sports team or something if you are that bored?, instead of bothering hard working people..
Shiori Shaishi
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-04-20 14:35:52 UTC
The Goonswarm must've been cutting oxygen rations again.
chaosjj
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-04-20 14:37:22 UTC
Miss Mynnna, i admire your goal, as it is one i happen to agree with, Heth must leave, but, your method greatly hinders your fellow independent Capluleers who do their buisness in Jita, and it ruins our local Capsuleer economy.
Alizabeth Vea
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-04-21 05:01:56 UTC
chaosjj wrote:
Miss Mynnna, i admire your goal, as it is one i happen to agree with, Heth must leave, but, your method greatly hinders your fellow independent Capluleers who do their buisness in Jita, and it ruins our local Capsuleer economy.

I don't see why any of us Goons should give a damn about any of that.

Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.

"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I

Virtue. Valor. Victory.

mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-04-21 05:34:20 UTC
Now now Captain Vea, we give plenty a damn about it, seeing as that economy forms the underpinnings of our own logistics. The fears dear jj expresses are understandable, though typically short sighted.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

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