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Hisec ice removal

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Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
#21 - 2013-04-19 19:50:28 UTC
My expectation would be ice belt that could be scanned ( or comet whatever may be the case) Limited number of better ice . Low and null could have better site with bigger cie field and the like.

I highly doubt that static ice will be gone, since it would certainly inflate POS fuel a lot.

I sell drones and drones accessories.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#22 - 2013-04-20 00:01:21 UTC
Klymer wrote:
If the POS system is radically revamped and the demand for ice for fuel is reduced or eliminated then what uses for it are left and what effect would that have on how it's seeded in the game to be harvested?



Doubtful. Fuel blocks are still a relatively new 're-vamp'.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#23 - 2013-04-20 00:01:51 UTC
Markus Navarro wrote:
My expectation would be ice belt that could be scanned ( or comet whatever may be the case) Limited number of better ice . Low and null could have better site with bigger cie field and the like.

I highly doubt that static ice will be gone, since it would certainly inflate POS fuel a lot.



Great for my Wallet indeed.

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OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2013-04-20 08:40:10 UTC  |  Edited by: OldWolf69
Scanned belts - bit harder to bot. Harder to gank - false. Macks are easy to scan down. Effect? We can just speculate, untill Oddisey comes out. Nope, noone will mine ice in lowsex. Maybe there will be more ice miners in null. And this will hit WH boyz the most.
But question was about someone hearing this rumour lately.
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2013-04-20 08:46:29 UTC
Markus Navarro wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
Thur Barbek wrote:
Confirmed, CCP is removing ice from the game completely. All ice will be turned into plex at a ratio of 5 plex per 1 ice block.

This game might be a bit too much for you. But don't cry, just go back to WoW.


You seem to have missed the sarcasm there.

Nope. But i can troll too.
GreenSeed
#26 - 2013-04-20 19:14:31 UTC  |  Edited by: GreenSeed
moving static ice to scanable ice changes nothing, now removal of hsec ice to low or null could grind any sub 50 man corp to a halt.

so no, it wont happen.


i can see yield ratios being rebalanced in favor of low, currently the yield of low/null ice is just slightly better than hsec in terms of isotopes. when it comes to LO and hwater null ice is vastly superior. so im guessing we could be getting racial ice spread evenly among all of nullsec space? maybe mixed ice belts with double yield, as opposed to the crappy 15% yield boost we have now.

the main problem with ice is that regardless of how morons feels about its mining, it is consumed in ridiculous quantity's by the eve economy, so any change on it will not be drastic. even if the final goal is to move it out of hsec it will happen over years, starting with yield changes. it will not happen after a DT.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#27 - 2013-04-21 07:53:42 UTC
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Marsan
#28 - 2013-04-22 02:21:32 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:

the main problem with ice is that regardless of how morons feels about its mining, it is consumed in ridiculous quantity's by the eve economy, so any change on it will not be drastic. even if the final goal is to move it out of hsec it will happen over years, starting with yield changes. it will not happen after a DT.


It's possible the devs might think that if they remove ice from highsec, and buff the LS/NS ice yields enough things will balance out. Of course the devs don't have a good track record of this sort of balance....

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#29 - 2013-04-22 03:39:08 UTC
Marsan wrote:

It's possible the devs might think that if they remove ice from highsec, and buff the LS/NS ice yields enough things will balance out. Of course the devs don't have a good track record of this sort of balance....



Removing ice from HI SEC would make the Drone poo nerf's effect on the economy look like a minor recession.
I just can't see losec ice mining with the current 3 minute harvestor cycles & Null icemining would make the current TECH bottle neck seem trivial.
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Dave stark
#30 - 2013-04-22 08:06:43 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Marsan wrote:

It's possible the devs might think that if they remove ice from highsec, and buff the LS/NS ice yields enough things will balance out. Of course the devs don't have a good track record of this sort of balance....



Removing ice from HI SEC would make the Drone poo nerf's effect on the economy look like a minor recession.
I just can't see losec ice mining with the current 3 minute harvestor cycles & Null icemining would make the current TECH bottle neck seem trivial.


indeed, especially when you look at the volume mined in null/low in comparison to high. the difference is huge.
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2013-04-22 09:16:34 UTC
there's not even a rumour about removing ice from hisec. just move it to scanned belts. ...err, some time ago, like 2 years it was actually a rumour.
Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#32 - 2013-04-22 10:50:33 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Marsan wrote:

It's possible the devs might think that if they remove ice from highsec, and buff the LS/NS ice yields enough things will balance out. Of course the devs don't have a good track record of this sort of balance....



Removing ice from HI SEC would make the Drone poo nerf's effect on the economy look like a minor recession.
I just can't see losec ice mining with the current 3 minute harvestor cycles & Null icemining would make the current TECH bottle neck seem trivial.


Well I think the effect would not be that dramatic. Ofc no one in their right mind would mine in low sec.. or dunno perhaps someone would with POS in system and Roqual boosting from there but majority would probably do it in null where its safer. What would happen, however, is that the ice products would creep up probably to around 1k ... up to 2k per unit. As in null sec you would have to compete against dark glitter and ABC ores. Ice would be mined, but the price of components will go up to approx the same level isk/h wise as other stuff you can mine in null.

I will have to point out that Skiff with ORCA boosts can get approx 1 minute ice mining cykle. A bit even under that with Roqual boosts. Would not mean that mining ice in low would be sensible tho as all it takes is one neutral alt in system to make it not worth the risk.

That out of the way I highly doubt that CCP would go and remove ice from hi sec. They would lose all these guys mining with 10+ accounts - or if not lose then they would downscale their operations to the level thats manageable on ore. Over all of eve population probably few thousand accounts I would speculate.

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Marsan
#33 - 2013-04-22 15:37:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsan
The dev aren't so stupid that I can see them removing ice from HS completely without attempting to balance it some how. More likely ice rocks in belts will start depleting and/or move to "grav" sites in HS. This would also have the effect of raising the bar on ice mining bots as well. If they remove ice from HS they will undoubtedly decrease the cycle time, increase the yield of ice mining, or the refining amount of ice. This would make ninja ice mining in LS workable, and ice mining in NS very profitable and worth fighting over. This of course assumes that ice changes even make the cut for this release. All we currently have is a couple of slides, and random musing from dev.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-04-22 21:30:10 UTC
Ice fields have been removed from Hi Sec before... you can either believe that history might repeat itself or you can look up CCP Soundwaves recent comments on the issue.

Or not.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#35 - 2013-04-22 23:25:07 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Ice fields have been removed from Hi Sec before...


Why they bring them back? Did Goons hi-sec alt Botts force them?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#36 - 2013-04-22 23:33:19 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Ice fields have been removed from Hi Sec before... you can either believe that history might repeat itself or you can look up CCP Soundwaves recent comments on the issue.

Or not.




Never, ever have I heard about that happening. They were removed from 1.0 - .8 systems and that's it.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Carniflex
StarHunt
Mordus Angels
#37 - 2013-04-23 12:26:47 UTC
As far as I see its just the usual speculative bubble. Someone worked himself up over some comment, managed to get enough other people interested and we have ice bubble. Which will, probably, last until in the FanFest some dev states that they have no intention removing ice from hi sec at which point those late to the party will be left holding the bag.

Removing ice from hi sec is about as likely as removing lev 4 missions from hi sec. In other words its more likely that they will make hi sec totally safe by just removing your ability to target other players in hi sec than removal of all hi sec ice belts.

Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard.

Dave stark
#38 - 2013-04-23 12:41:49 UTC
Carniflex wrote:
As far as I see its just the usual speculative bubble. Someone worked himself up over some comment, managed to get enough other people interested and we have ice bubble. Which will, probably, last until in the FanFest some dev states that they have no intention removing ice from hi sec at which point those late to the party will be left holding the bag.

Removing ice from hi sec is about as likely as removing lev 4 missions from hi sec. In other words its more likely that they will make hi sec totally safe by just removing your ability to target other players in hi sec than removal of all hi sec ice belts.


considering they've vanished from the chaos server, according to some russians... i'd say it's more likely than you seem to think.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-04-23 14:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
Ice fields have been removed from Hi Sec before... you can either believe that history might repeat itself or you can look up CCP Soundwaves recent comments on the issue.

Or not.




Never, ever have I heard about that happening. They were removed from 1.0 - .8 systems and that's it.


Last I checked, 1.0 to 0.8 is still part of High Sec...

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Dave stark
#40 - 2013-04-23 14:36:56 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
Ice fields have been removed from Hi Sec before... you can either believe that history might repeat itself or you can look up CCP Soundwaves recent comments on the issue.

Or not.




Never, ever have I heard about that happening. They were removed from 1.0 - .8 systems and that's it.


Last I checked, 1.0 to 0.8 is still part of High Sec...


to be fair, that original quote does imply all of high sec...