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Robert Stride
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-04-19 00:54:35 UTC
Hey guys I just got the game yesterday from Green Man Gaming. For those interested they have an amazing deal going on right now. http://www.greenmangaming.com/s/us/en/pc/games/mmos/eve-online-30-day-starter-pack-amarr-bounty-hunter/

For just 5 bucks you get a new account with 30 days play time. You also get tons of free skill books and an implant that lasts 14 days that adds 9 to all atrributes.

Anyway I have just a couple of questions. From all the reading I have seen from googling I've noticed Rifters are the "best" for small frigate based pvp. Going against the grain I actually rolled a Caldari b/c I like the idea of using missles. Since it's so cheap though I was debating making a 2nd account. If I did this I was wondering if Amarr are any good for Frigate based pvp or would all rifters just destroy me?

I ask b/c the 5 buck starter pack is more geared towards Amarr so if they are decent I'd just roll one of those.

Basically my main account (the Caldari) I made with a friend. We mainly plan to use those for grouping and doing missions together and possibly a small ammount of pvp.

If I were to make a 2nd account it'd be just pvp for the most part. So what do you think? Roll an Amarr or go Minmitar?
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#2 - 2013-04-19 00:59:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Hobb
Kestrel and Merlin are both good frigates for PVP, Kestrel will lead you into a Corax (missiles/rockets) and the Merlin into a Cormorant (hybrid guns). Don't bother with Rifters unless you want to cross-train; all races have good ships nowadays. If you do want to cross-train to Minmatar, start training for the Merlin because all those Gunnery skills will help the most with a Rifter or Slasher.

Although it's worth noting that the Breacher is pretty good so even if you do go the missile route, cross-training to Minmatar isn't a waste.

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Robert Stride
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-04-19 01:02:31 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Kestrel and Merlin are both good frigates for PVP, Kestrel will lead you into a Corax (missiles/rockets) and the Merlin into a Cormorant (hybrid guns). Don't bother with Rifters unless you want to cross-train; all races have good ships nowadays. If you do want to cross-train to Minmatar, start training for the Merlin because all those Gunnery skills will help the most with a Rifter or Slasher.


Thanks this is good to hear. I guess I won't need to make another account. Like I said I like the idea of missles so I'll probably train towards the Corax.

Is it recommended that I get all the basic stuff to 5 before training others skills? The ones like Frigates, Engineering, Science and all that jazz?
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#4 - 2013-04-19 01:06:59 UTC
http://blog.beyondreality.se/Newbie-skill-plan

Substitute the ship skills for Caldari and the projectile weapon skills for hybrid gun skills. Also pick up Controlled Bursts.

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Robert Stride
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-04-19 01:16:08 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
http://blog.beyondreality.se/Newbie-skill-plan

Substitute the ship skills for Caldari and the projectile weapon skills for hybrid gun skills. Also pick up Controlled Bursts.


If I were going missles would I still need Hybrid guns?
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#6 - 2013-04-19 01:24:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Hobb
Robert Stride wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
http://blog.beyondreality.se/Newbie-skill-plan

Substitute the ship skills for Caldari and the projectile weapon skills for hybrid gun skills. Also pick up Controlled Bursts.


If I were going missles would I still need Hybrid guns?

You can skip ahead to the missile skills to begin with and leave the drone and gun skills for later, although I would still advise you train those skills at some point because they vastly increase your options and ship choices.

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Stonkeep
Osmanli Empire
#7 - 2013-04-19 01:50:46 UTC
It seems after the T1 frig balancing, Incursus is the most popular frig. You might check that out as well.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2013-04-19 02:29:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Robert Stride wrote:
Hey guys I just got the game yesterday from Green Man Gaming.

Welcome to EVE. Let's begin...

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From all the reading I have seen from googling I've noticed Rifters are the "best" for small frigate based pvp. Going against the grain I actually rolled a Caldari b/c I like the idea of using missles. Since it's so cheap though I was debating making a 2nd account. If I did this I was wondering if Amarr are any good for Frigate based pvp or would all rifters just destroy me?

That info is a bit dated.
For the past year or so there has been a major rebalance effort to bring up some of the ships that were formerly deemed "worthless" and slightly nerf ships that were too overpowered.

Currently the Rifter is not the "top dog" compared to other frigates in its class. It's still viable in some circumstances, but it won't automatically win in all scenarios.

Since you are looking at Caldari ships you might want to have a look at the...
- Merlin (gun boat with shields that's good for brawling)
- Kestrel (missile ship with shields that is pretty good for ranged tactics or brawling)
- Condor (missile ship with light defenses and high speed... excellent for skirmishing and interdiction)

Amarr frigates have some similar roles but have a slightly different... flavor to them.
- Punisher (gun boat that uses armor, excellent for brawling)
- Tormentor (gun and drone boat that uses armor, good for dealing high damage)
- Executioner (gun boat with light defenses and high speed... excellent for skirmishing and interdiction)

And don't be fooled by how similar both the Amarr and Caldari ship roles are. Each race has strengths and weaknesses that are inherent in the ships, weapons, and defenses they prefer.

Finally... here is some info that's very handy...
You can train any racial ship and weapon system regardless of your character's race without suffering any drawbacks or penalties.
So if you don't like Amarr or Caldari ships for any reason... you can move on to something else. However it is strongly encouraged that you stick to one race you prefer and specialize in it first.

How did you Veterans start?
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-04-19 03:27:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
First off, the whole "Minmatar r da bestez at da PVPeez " attitude is long dead. They are still very good and excel in several areas, though after aggressive re-balancing by CCP, they are in line with everyone else.

The Kestrel and Merlin are fine frigates. I actually like the Merlin a lot due to it's range bonus, allowing you to easily kite other frigates which will will generally try to get very close to you. The Merlin is my personal frigate of choice as it's very study and very reliable in combat. It isn't the faster guy out there but it's certainly fast enough for my needs.

The rifter is still a viable ship but is outclassed in some areas. I consider it the swiss army knife of EVE. It's a jack of all trades ship, it's good at everything you would need a frigate for but there are specific roles that other ships would be better at.

You might also want to consider gallente frigates. Blasters added on top of drones will give you outstanding DPS (damage per second). The more DPS you do, the faster you kill your enemy, the faster you kill your enemy the less time they have to kill you. Problem with gallente frigates is you have to get close to use your deadly blasters and some frigates can actually outrun your drones.

Read up on the pros and cons of each Races tech 1 combat frigates and decide which one fits your preferred method of combat. Don't get too locked up on the "My character is a certain race so I should fly the ships of me race" attitude. Training other races (called cross training) is quick at the frigate level so it's worth getting a little taste of what the other ships fly like. Who knows, you might find that you prefer another races ships better than your own.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-04-19 04:36:43 UTC
Robert Stride wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
http://blog.beyondreality.se/Newbie-skill-plan

Substitute the ship skills for Caldari and the projectile weapon skills for hybrid gun skills. Also pick up Controlled Bursts.


If I were going missles would I still need Hybrid guns?


You will eventually cross train it all anyways.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#11 - 2013-04-19 04:45:24 UTC
Caldari and missile training will eventually lead you to a Tengu, which is a ship you will most likely want to be able to pilot.

Oh god.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2013-04-19 04:51:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Robert Stride wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
http://blog.beyondreality.se/Newbie-skill-plan

Substitute the ship skills for Caldari and the projectile weapon skills for hybrid gun skills. Also pick up Controlled Bursts.

If I were going missles would I still need Hybrid guns?

I'd say yes. If you're going Caldari, you'll want both because otherwise you're missing out on half the ships and many of them are very very good.

Overall, that skillplan is a bit out of date after the ship changes last year, and it will be even more out of date after the skill changes in Odyssey since the prerequisites for many of the key skills will change. I'm (very slowly) working on an update to it, but it probably won't come out until I can really double-check the training time and SP limits with a new EVEMon release.

Still, it works well enough for the moment and as mentioned, you can pretty much do a 1:1 substitution of the ship skills. In addition, that plan is for the worst-case scenario of wanting and needing to cross-train tanking from the get-go. As Caldari, you can probably delay (if not skip entirely) some of the armour tanking skills and focus on getting the fun stuff sooner.
Robert Stride
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-04-19 05:06:35 UTC
Wow!

Thanks for all the help and suggestions guys!
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-04-19 08:00:14 UTC
Came expecting questions regarding BASIC ... :(
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#15 - 2013-04-19 08:58:43 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Came expecting questions regarding BASIC ... :(


... Left with a warm fuzzy feeling and no mention of GOTO