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Taoist Dragon
x Never Regret x
#21 - 2013-04-21 00:10:36 UTC
I'm in FW for goodfights and the ability to 'self sustain' while pvp'ing.

When I was a pirate I was able to support myself through the loot of the targets and low sec exploration. But I was never 'rich' and had to be pretty picky about my targets.

While I can be very patient when I have a goal (bombing runs on indy/miners in null for eg) but I get bored and move onto other things if that is how you have to do things constantly.

Since rejoining FW my actually pvp activity increased loads and I was getting a greater quantity of 'better' fights rather than ganking pve'ers in low sec (nothing against it and still do it now if the opportunity arises).

FW allows me to support my pvp through LP to isk swapping via the faction LP store as I generally don't fly my faction ships Shocked
I plex when I'm not in the mood to go roam for fights and I need to grind up some missions to repair my state pro standing so I can get juicy missions to make LP easier to get hold of.
But even when I'm out roaming I use the plex's to generate pvp and a lot of the time I end up capping a few plex and a nice little payout as well.

I will engage in offensive plexing if there is a push to cap an objective system etc but in general I'm not one for 'pushing the warzone'

Do I FW

vOv thats for you to decide from your own perspective.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#22 - 2013-04-21 09:41:19 UTC
I FW daily to keep myself in shape

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Tsobai Hashimoto
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-04-22 00:03:38 UTC
1st) Create a roll back timer to help reduce the effects of pure WCS alts, will reduce a small bit of LP in the hands of pure LP farmers, and make the FW pvp pilots feel a bit more useful

That should be the first change in FW

2nd) should be increasing T1 to a -25% LP gain, and 50% gains for each tier above 2

If you look at isk per hour and not LP per hour the changes wouldn't be to drastic other than for T1 getting a lot of help.

This will help keep T1 factions recruiting and paying for losses but not able to get space rich by just loosing a war.

My guess at -25% would be around 40-65mill an hour on average
T2 would stay around the 80-100mill
T3 around +25m
T4 around +50m
not sure on T5, never been T5, would guess LP prices would get really damn cheap, maybe +65m more than T2

At T4 the most common for a winning faction would be around 125-150m isk a hour, good isk but it would make people that live in null think twice about docking up that Faction BS and Carrier and move to FW to grind isk. (this is the major issue of FW)

right now you can make 200m an hour easy and it make sense to not rat in null even if you have access. FW isk for minnies is better than living in a C5 WH, the isk per hour is about the same for most sites, a bit less for capital escalations but i can do FW missions anytime i want, when i want, i dont need 5-8 other pilots to log on, and once sites are clear you need to roll static, also its 10 times the risk. (billion isk tengu in null with no local alert system vrs a bomber or two in low sec with 300 militia pilots giving some Intel )
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#24 - 2013-05-02 14:23:16 UTC
Rather than decrease the the pay I would like to see them first increase the risk involved in plexing.

Specifically if they made it a pvp mechanic with the rollbacks and notifications as they planned then I think we would see that the lp from plexing is not so easy to earn.

After they get the system where the want it in terms of pvp in plexing then and only then shoudl they adjust the pay. First get the system working right then decide the reward for winning at the system.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#25 - 2013-05-02 14:26:14 UTC
Yeah, don't decrease the pay. I'm only half way to my first Titan!
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#26 - 2013-05-02 14:29:38 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
right now you can make 200m an hour easy and it make sense to not rat in null even if you have access. FW isk for minnies is better than living in a C5 WH, the isk per hour is about the same for most sites, a bit less for capital escalations but i can do FW missions anytime i want, when i want, i dont need 5-8 other pilots to log on, and once sites are clear you need to roll static, also its 10 times the risk. (billion isk tengu in null with no local alert system vrs a bomber or two in low sec with 300 militia pilots giving some Intel )
Just to keep everything crystal clear:
1) L4 FW missions have always paid outrageous levels of isk, (ok, not always, but after the first year they did)
2) FW missions do not affect sov

Carry on.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#27 - 2013-05-02 14:48:49 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Tsobai Hashimoto wrote:
right now you can make 200m an hour easy and it make sense to not rat in null even if you have access. FW isk for minnies is better than living in a C5 WH, the isk per hour is about the same for most sites, a bit less for capital escalations but i can do FW missions anytime i want, when i want, i dont need 5-8 other pilots to log on, and once sites are clear you need to roll static, also its 10 times the risk. (billion isk tengu in null with no local alert system vrs a bomber or two in low sec with 300 militia pilots giving some Intel )
Just to keep everything crystal clear:
1) L4 FW missions have always paid outrageous levels of isk, (ok, not always, but after the first year they did)
2) FW missions do not affect sov

Carry on.



If they fix fw sov and make it a pvp mechanic, they may need to nerf fw missions a bit. But that tweaking should only come after they fix fw sov.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#28 - 2013-05-02 14:52:16 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Yeah, don't decrease the pay. I'm only half way to my first Titan!



Yep long ago people used to think that fw plexing should involve ships getting blown up, and the lp plexing offers should be there to help them replace the ships. Instead we have a system where the best plexers pretty much never lose their ships and so they save up for capital ships they really don't need.

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ALUCARD 1208
Digital Ghosts
#29 - 2013-05-02 14:57:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
hehehe i see what youve done here cearain youve gone back to every topic that includes this and commented to put them to the top and make it look like notifications are a hot topic.

Guess you didnt like the retribution roundup were the dev shitcanned notifications? and feel the need to re bleat in every post that may get a bite for that im outa of all future post the minute u bring this **** up again

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#30 - 2013-05-02 16:10:21 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
hehehe i see what youve done here cearain youve gone back to every topic that includes this and commented to put them to the top and make it look like notifications are a hot topic.

Guess you didnt like the retribution roundup were the dev shitcanned notifications? and feel the need to re bleat in every post that may get a bite for that im outa of all future post the minute u bring this **** up again



If the devs said what you claimed, I wouldn't have liked it at all. But since you were lying, thats not the case. What they actually said made allot of sense.

I am more happy with retribution than just about any other expansion out there. By doing away with gcc they did wonders for pvp in low sec.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#31 - 2013-05-02 16:35:19 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Guess you didnt like the retribution roundup were the dev shitcanned notifications? and feel the need to re bleat in every post that may get a bite for that im outa of all future post the minute u bring this **** up again

Does it matter? We'll keep hearing about "the notification system" whether or not CCP actually did shitcan them.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#32 - 2013-05-02 16:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
X Gallentius wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Guess you didnt like the retribution roundup were the dev shitcanned notifications? and feel the need to re bleat in every post that may get a bite for that im outa of all future post the minute u bring this **** up again

Does it matter? We'll keep hearing about "the notification system" whether or not CCP actually did shitcan them.



Did you see the video that alucrad linked? Did the dev say what Alucard claimed? If so where?

It seems like you and a few of your gallente buds are the ones who are just arguing to protect rabbit plexing horde, and ignoring the fact that ccp has already acknowledged that these would be good changes.

And yeah you will keep hearing the same solutions everytime the same problem is mentioned. Thats why I say ccp should just make a sticky about this instead of having a new thread every week.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#33 - 2013-05-02 17:06:32 UTC
No idea. All I know is that we're going to hear about a notification system (for forever) whether or not the devs mentioned one.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#34 - 2013-05-02 18:01:20 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
No idea. All I know is that we're going to hear about a notification system (for forever) whether or not the devs mentioned one.


You don't even know if you saw the presentation?

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#35 - 2013-05-02 18:20:29 UTC
You asked multiple questions, not just one.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#36 - 2013-05-02 18:57:43 UTC
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
No idea. All I know is that we're going to hear about a notification system (for forever) whether or not the devs mentioned one.


You don't even know if you saw the presentation?



X Gallentius wrote:
You asked multiple questions, not just one.



Well can you answer the one quoted above? I know you are trying to dodge the questions, but there is an easier way. Just answer them honestly.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#37 - 2013-05-02 19:28:49 UTC
Sure, no I haven't. And you're still going to bring up the notification system for forever. Roll
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#38 - 2013-05-02 20:21:50 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Sure, no I haven't. And you're still going to bring up the notification system for forever. Roll


I'm not even that negative. CCP said it just got left out of this expansion due to time constraints. I don't think it will take them forever. Whether we get this fixed "soon" or late I don't know.

You probably don't know this because you didn't see the video and therefore realize your pal alucard was lying. Also you apparently don't read data that is contrary to your view so you probably didn't read the links to devs I provided.

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1st-Garrentious WispBender
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-05-02 21:30:16 UTC
Cearain wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Sure, no I haven't. And you're still going to bring up the notification system for forever. Roll


I'm not even that negative. CCP said it just got left out of this expansion due to time constraints. I don't think it will take them forever. Whether we get this fixed "soon" or late I don't know.

You probably don't know this because you didn't see the video and therefore realize your pal alucard was lying. Also you apparently don't read data that is contrary to your view so you probably didn't read the links to devs I provided.


Me and my buddies are gonna beat you up. Gonna steal your POCOS, Burn your POS's and POD your mothers.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#40 - 2013-05-02 21:31:06 UTC
Maybe we won't hear about it if they actually install the notification system. Nah, we'll still hear about it one way or another until the end of time.
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