Warfare & Tactics

BM- How much isk does Gallente need to raise and give to you so you can stop talking about farming?

Well the issue is everyone wants it done "their way or no way" in cal mil. I can't say I am a "major player" of Cal Mil, but my issue here is that, most of the people with voices are not willing to work with people with other voices.. they say "we need to do this, or we need to do that" and if someone refuses or vocalizes anything other then agreement, they are isolated or isolate themselves.

Any person with half a clue, can look at the map and see that people in Gallente are controlling movement in some major kind of way, they have systems that are tactical "reinforced" vrs just any old system.

They are using real hardware, and tactics where we are not. They are setting up poses to reship from and using carriers to reship as well, which makes them less station dependent then we are. They are moving their pilots and equipment tactically and not just mindlessly. Some times I wonder if Cal Mil, thinks that Eha, Nen, and Nis were taken and strong holded for "no real reason"....

Between those three systems you can reach alot of FW territory in order to reinforce the other system or the ones around it. Deploying next door to one of these places, where they can just funnel pilots from two of their strong holds into one of yours is just a bad idea tactically. You can hope and pray that people will want to go to ich for the "good fights", just like I hope and pray that some of our more vocal members, of the community would pick up the damn map and start looking at it "a different way" vrs just a "where can I get fights way"

It frustrates me that everyone was like "Swarm to Enulari", and then got mad at my corp/alliance for not wanting to go... well lets look at this from a real stand point. Its isolated on either side, by gallente systems. It has no safe path for supplies or our pilots to get to it, short of going through rainbow dash cove or camp city. It has three entrances, all of which have pipes that are controlled by gallente making controlling the system a real *****.

The gallente got to where they are not because they picked a system that was close to us and said "we want that one". Instead they took strong points tactically, had a "master plan" and used it. They spidered supplies and pilots upwards, and were not afraid to put caps and poses at risk to support their fleets and they supplied their pilots with the ability to reship, in a close system.. not at a station that is constantly camped by pirates....

I fail to see how on earth a "small undock" is our biggest problem.

So lets recap...

They have what I feel to be the strongest 3 systems tactically that you can control in our current map, because they spread to all sides of the territory, and there is a pipe to connect all three systems. So moving pilots and goods to defend which ever side needs defended is much easier then us going through 100 camps and pirates to get out there.

They are obviously communicating because you can clearly see it in their movements and map presence, oh and the biggest thing... is they are not all depering in one derping system. They are spread out among three that are tactically sound.

From there, their plexers have easy access to the systems around. Coupled with good supply lines they are able to take surrounding systems fairly harmlessly.....


The point is that no one on our side is establishing themselves in any system, that they can keep control of, and further more they are more concerned about running big fleets then establishing secure high ground and supply lines for their pilots. They run big fleets a pilot gets a cruiser popped, and then that pilot is out of the fight till he freaking gets back to high sec, grabs a new ship and hopefully makes it back some where to where the fleet is.

The size of our ships here is not the problem, it is where we are putting them, and how we have them stationed. Maybe you should talk to Gray about those cruisers, god knows he could use em where WE are stationed.

It's really not that hard to get coordinated. But I think you have to lower your expectations by quite a bit...that will ease alot of your frustrations.

Don't bother trying to coordinate amongst all the alliances/corps. Just pick 1 or 2 that you connect with and go from there. The odds that all alliances agree is slim to none.

Asking for everyone to flock to Enaluri or whatever system shows a lack of understanding in how friendship and diplomacy is built. You're basically asking a girl to sleep with you on the first date. Instead you need to court her and take her out a few times before you hit the sack. Ease into the space friendship first before you go making a huge commitment to living together in a system.

You guys are being too ambitious and show a lack of understanding in how diplomacy is established. Rookies. I remember Bolster had this ambitious plan to unify the entire militia and he just burned out real quickly.

PS- I resent anyone saying that Gallente is coordinated ;)

Not /all/ of us don't understand diplomacy. Just most of us, I assure you there are a few of us that understand how to get people into our bed.

This toon is Achura. :)

Now that I know you all want me cause I'm smoking hot and stuff, the answer is still 'No'.

station lock out is perfect :)

When you see problems EVERYWHERE, you have to examine the common denominator.

I wasnt for station lockouts, but before them, it was kinda easy to just ignore people plexing your space. Now, i get up and see 10 guys plexing my home system and have to kick them out 10v1(+) as per this morning. Though for round 2 it was 4v8 and a glorious victory!

Had there not been lockouts and tedious deplexing i would have likely just ignored them.

I'm curious who those pirates are?

So are we.

Then learn to enjoy following (i.e. not FC-ing) more time. Best way to avoid burnout. Or are you too much into trying to control everything?


I have no illusions that you give a **** what I say, so you can be happy. The thing is though you doing what you want is having a lot of others do . . what you want. I personally stopped going on your fleets. But many people for whatever reason like your fleets. I guess what I'm asking is think about the war effort some more, as this is afterall FW. Of course see the first sentence again . .


You are too busy always FC-ing to even know what others do. 90% holy ****, relax sometime. I have FC'd some on Deacon. I used to FC more before him. But of course you would not know of my occasional FC-ing because it was not larger roaming fleet FC-ing. It was more loose dplexing FC-ing in systems, or pos bashs (poses that mattered as they were squid poses). You would just pass through systems such as Eha sometimes looking for a large fight but not stick around and put in the time to actually keep from getting flipped.

Regardless, your OP thesis is flawed. Enaluri had to fall or Nenna had to fall. It was not our decision to make it that way. I don't recall much of a coordinated effort to take Enaluri before the squids decided to engage in the recent push on Nenna. So how would you have things now? Nenna in Squid hands because you would have refused the minmatar help while squids got gorgon empire help etc.?

Don't cry for me, Enaluri.

edit - Juan, that publication is dead wrong on only one point. The Maulus is the best ship in eve and totally appropriate everywhere and anytime. Which is of course why it graces the cover and gives every red-blooded gallente a constant boner.


Instruments, tools if you will, like my honed and not at all blunt diplomatic senses and communication skills.