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Something high sec needs is something to fight over. Most of the war or "suicide gank pvp" in high sec tends to be of the big fish eating little fish variety for no other reason than "because we can" and "for the lolz". This sort of thing lacks contextual value, it's meaningless PVP, violence for the sake of violence at times jokingly justified by "profit motive". People in high sec need a real reason to fight and the fights, despite the gank-bear whiners, need to be perceived as 'fair'.

Once upon a time people in high sec would fight over NPC trade goods/routes, there used to be fights over mining and who cleared the belts. There used to be fights about who was going to live in this system or that. There were fights because of can art believe it or not.

The other aspect is, fights need to seem fair, no small corp is going to reasonably stand up to a corp twice its age and size with neutral repping alts. It devolves into smack talk in local while one side or the other stays docked. Wee.

To the first issue, stuff to fight over, a few ideas.

Mining rights - Perhaps the NPC corp who has Sov over a system, sells mining rights to each of the asteroid belts in an auction. Only the owning corp can mine there at full yield. Anyone else, in that belt will mine at 25% yield. A corp can war dec another corp with the goal of forcing a change of ownership. Make these leases something that can be sold via contracts and traded in the trade window. It gives corps something to fight over and gives those NPC corp mining bots a kick in the teeth.

Maybe DUST and planets can have an impact here too, but will not speculate since CCP has hinted they may introduce player owned customs offices to high sec one day.

Station Rights - Perhaps allow a corp to "buy" a partnership with a station. That one corp gets a 50% discount on all NPC taxes and fees at that station. Only one corp may "own" this partnership at a time. This thing can be traded on contracts, let corps fight over it.

The basic idea with these sort of thing is create some scarcity, not on a macro scale, but in the micro-scale.

For the "fair" fight. This is a difficult balancing act, but perhaps some method of allowing a war dec to be declared as "frig only" or "up to T1 cruisers" only, depending on some metric that is measured, perhaps total SP/Player ratio of a corp determines up to what types of ships can be used. I know it sounds goofy and anti-sandbox in some ways, but perhaps if small newish corps are not scared to death of war, they might have some fun with it.

Perhaps only corps that are in the same SP/PLAYER/AGE ranges can war dec one another/aggress in high sec.

My goal here is not protect "carebears", but to give them reasons to fight, and give them a reasonable chance of being successful at it.

I am trusting that V-Rat isn't trolling us so, here goes.

Some of my thoughts. Most/some have already been expressed but, here's my take on a few.

1. Ganking. Working as intended, CONCORD response times fine and the use of alts to pull CONCORD away is a legit tactic as long as the gankers don't mind us using an alt to draw CONCORD to the belt. We HiSec folk need to be vigilant while mining/missioning, if not ... well ... enjoy the pod ride home.

2. Ore/Ice Belts. Move all the ore/ice belts in +0.7 and below to GRAV sites. New players can still get their feet wet in 0.8 and above.
A side note to this is my response to many who think that all HiSec miners are semi-afk, a large number of us who mine in HiSec enjoy the social aspect and are actively chatting in our own channel or on voice.

3. RR Alts. Cheesey move that needs to be addressed. We were WarDec'd by a 1 man corp who would only undock with between 3 to 5 RR alts cycling thru repping him and docking for the next one to take over.

4. Carreer Paths. I don't have much to add here as I jump between mining, mission running, exploration, invention/building and a little WH as the mood takes me.When I get board with one, I just move on to the next.

5. RP (Races). There is no value in what race you chose to be. I spent a great deal of time reading all the race descriptions etc before making my choice. And, it means exactly ZERO. Perhaps a racial bonus of some flavor when you fly your race's ships or engage in an activity that your race is supposed to be predisposed to?

6. PvE. Incursions are fine like they are. I would like more diversity/content in mission running. After rescuing that fricken damsel the 3rd time, I get board and don't run missions for a few weeks.

Enjoy. Since moving back to HiSec, I do enjoy the ability to change what I do based on mood at the time. Considering my limited play time available, I enjoy what I can accomplish in the 2-3 hours I get.

Pisses Me Off. Realistically, the only this that truely irritates me in HiSec is some of the unrestricted chatting/smack in local. As I have grandchildren who like watching me play, it can get a bit problematic when the grandson asks me, "GrandPa, what's a F*ck-Stick?"

I think the biggest problem is war decs mechanics.

Wars are not slug fests like they used to be. All it really is, is station camping with a ton neutral RR. I have not seen one wardec corp operate w/o neutral RR.

Other than that. there is nothing really wrong with high sec maybe a few tweeks.

Incursions - they are going good, the pilots provide the bpc's and meta capital modules to 0.0 counterparts who refuse to do incursions. maybe a small isk reward roll back.

Standings - some pilots made mistakes years ago while missioning and need a better way to raise standings with enemy factions.

More epic arcs needed.

removal of insurance for people who high sec gank.

missioning - would like to see a tougher ai in level 4's.


Oh and also, there is nothing wrong with mining in high sec. Goons have proven already what happens if you cut off the ice flow in high sec. IF it really needs to be changed. Change the refine amounts not the belts.

Couldn't a system similar to the current ihub system be used? Upgrades or modules can be attached to a hub which upgrades sec by 0.1; destroying hub modules reduces by 0.1. The hub itself would go through a reinforcement cycle, though instead of being destroyed it would just offline untill repaired/restarted. (thus resetting sec to the original value).

This could also be used to introduce players to sov concepts and wars in lower sec systems.

Making Isk is so painful and boring that everyone in high sec quakes in fear at the tiniest sign of losing it. Making Isk should be fun again. Losing Isk should be funner.

PvE overhaul.
Cheaper PvP.
Insurance for Implants.
A melting pot low sec PvP arena with ridiculous prizes, *I'm talking VCR's and toasters people!*.

No one wants to play with their expensive toys. This needs fixing.

This is the only paragraph I really wanted to comment on, for one simple reason: what's wrong with enticing hiseccers into going into lowsec/nullsec? There's literally no other way to get people out there, they won't move there unless they want to.

Literally the only thing I can see, offhand, that needs to be nerfed in hisec right now, is incursions. Other than that, what I think needs to be done is to both make SOV incentivize using multiple small fleets to attack multiple solar systems (so there's actual strategy in where fleets are deployed and what number, instead of just pack 1000+ into one system 6 times and move on to the next), and increase the rewards dramatically for the individual pilot in lowsec and nullsec. It would probably be best if it wasn't even a raw isk reward, but just all-round qualitative improvements for the individual pilot. Better research, manufacturing, refine, mining, you name it, it should just be better and more lucrative.

Not every rebalance has to be a heavy-handed nerf to hisec. :colbert:

Low sec will always suffer from low population because its too easy to get killed.

the tank vs dps balance is way too in favour of dps.... fights are over before they even get started alot of the time.

most good skilled pvp pilots can one shot any industrial or mining barge and frigs are vaporised by the smartbombing bs that sits on most low sec gates This is not fun for anyone really. It should take longer to kill your victim and strategy to win the fight should be a major factor in deciding the outcome and not simply lock scram and alpha which is how the current form of pvp seems to be.

things i see that ruin the length of a good fight.

pvp in eve online is like a quick shag down an alleyway.

pvp in eve online should be more like a full on porn movie..... both sides enjoy a good bit of foreplay first.... playing with fiddly bits for a while to get ye all hot n bothered then follows the penetration culminating in the money shot.

i just wish the fight would actually last longer (lol many women would say that about the sex )

in solo engagements most victims die within two to three volleys. thats too quick....

the money making opportunities in low sec stink tbh.

roids are just as crap as high sec, missions are pretty much the same has high sec except you have no concord to keep ganker's at bay. this isk payout is the same.

DED sites in low sec are not that great either.

to entice more people into low sec why not quadruple the bounties paid out on npc kills for missioners in low sec
doing an l4 in low sec would then pay 4x as much as the same l4 in high sec would.

Add abc ores to low sec albeit in smaller quantities
Add hiden ice belts in low sec that have any type of ice in it.

reduce the taxes on trading in low sec and allow anyone install jump clones in any low sec system but charge a higher isk cost. (high sec is 250,000isk but needs a standing of 8.0 with that corp) low sec should only require a standing of 4.0 with the corp but also charge 1mil isk for the clone)

Increase the yields when refining ores in low sec by 25% meaning you get 25% more trit if u refine veld in low sec compatred to high sec.

Increase the rate of 6/10/7/10 & 8/10 ded plexes spawning in low sec. And for the love of god fix the faction pos / pos mod bpc drop rate. make low sec the only source of the faction pos bpcs/

open up 0.4 sec systems for moon mining/reaction towers and capital ship production arrays.

For one, the recent addition of a 100m/h isk faucet called incursions.


Why should hisec be lower risk and higher reward than lowsec or nullsec? What sort of incentives should anyone have for leaving?


If I could stand the gibberish language the incursions inflict upon everyone entering an incursioned system, I could be making 100m/hour. Or, if I do what I normally do, i.e. market fuckery, I could earn as much as a supercarrier in a day or a week if I'm lucky. In fact, I just did.

Now, tell me why I should leave that if I'm not in the game for the shooty style of PVP.

Well, i always like to see more player-player interaction in the world of EvE and i like the industrial part of the game, so i have the following ideas, that could also work in Lowsec and 0.0. I will only writhe down the basics of the ideas:

1. Real Estate
Atm every Empire Station has a mixed Slotlayout with a static number of ME-,Pe- and Copy Research Slots and Manufactory Slots.

What if players could buy half of them and change them, based on deployable equipment? Only half of them to prevent the players from abusing the system.

For example you buy a PE-Scince Slot at Jita 4-4 and a "Caldari Frigatte Manufactory Equipment", now you could change this Slot into an Manufactory Slot, that gives build time boni to Caldari frigs.

To maintain them, you have to pay a monthly land tax, maybe they could need materials to run like posfuel and maybe they generate a mission from time to time, that they are brocken and need some PI Mats or so to get repaired. During this time all jops are paused. If the mission fails after 2-4 weeks, the NPCs buy back the Slot, cause of the player violating the contract or something, repairs it and relists them for sale. So you don't have Slots sitting at inactive people.

In Lowsec/0.0 , forbidden manufactory equipment could be used, that gives better boni to production times (no ME improvments, to prevent hat they become mandatory for everybody to be able to compete (like production efficency to 5 nowadays). Something like the "Sansha Cruiser Manufactory Unit", that gives PE Boni to Caldari, Amarr and Sansha cruisers.

In Sov 0.0, the land tax will be given to the owner of the outpost.

To prevent that every slot is sold the first day, i would like to see that only slots in former Incursion constelations are bing sold publicy via auction. This will also have a nice RP in the sense that npc corps leave, cause of missing workers or so.

The same can be done for offices, but maybe as part of future WIS developments.

To prevent that people go crazy over searching the right slots, there should be some new buttons in the production UI like "find fastest slot", "find cheapest slot" and "find next available slot". The last one would be nice anyway.

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2.Minions
In short, they are like Shipcrews, but for industrie.

We already have NPC scientists / technicans and others as "tradegoods". Let us use them as our teams, that do our Scince and Industrie jobs.

They will modify production time of items or research time of Me research.

We have the standart type, that can do everything and gives a bonus of maybe 2-5%, then we have race specific teams, that give 5-10% to every job with there race objects and then we could have special teams for specific areas (frigatt construction, hybrid weapons and so on), that give a 10-20% boni.

They will cost monthly wages, if they work or not, so managing them is crucial.

Another idea would be "Superminions", special NPC Teams, that give maybe +20% in two workfields or maybe +30%, but cost more wages and can only be found in space (loot) or maybe traded for LP in the shops.

The other Minions could be bought and sold directly from NPCs, maybe created from basic "Civilian" NPCs at a "POS Recruitment Camp" or maybe later in colonies on planets.

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3.Licenses
Atm we have a small item in the LP Stores called "Empire Starbase Charters", that allow us to run a POS in Highsec.
What if your corp could buy a license to online "Complex Reactors" in 0.4 systems or higher, moonharvesters in Highsec maybe or a POS in a 0.9 System. Those will have a monthly cost associated.

Maybe you could buy a license to build an outpost in highsec?

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4.Corpstanding
Atm Corpstanding from your Corp towards NPC Corps is calculated as the average of every member of your corp, who has standing towards them.

Practically this means, if you bring a new player to work for a corporation, your corpstanding towards them will drop, until the new player is near the old average value.

I would like to see, that corps behave like players here and get a "static" amount of standing every time a corpmember finishs a mission or so. To prevent that massive corps of 100 or more players gain standings to fast the formula should look like that:
corporate standing gain = basic gain value of this mission/ (corporate member count/2)

With this, the one man Corpcreator with Standing for Empire POS is stil a valid job, but now they have to do something other than a storyline mission and waiting 14 days.

To make the transition less painfull, the actuall average value will become the new "static" value.

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5.Corporate Missions
Just big missions for whole corps, fighting and industrial.

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6.Viceroys
It's an old idea in EvE, many things have been written down already so i will make it short.

Corporations/Players that can gain a position in a npc empire and manage lowsec or maybe 0.5 to 0.7 Starsystems, with changing basic tax values (market fees, broker tax, pi export/import), giving away licenses, calling npc corps so that they maybe place agents in the system, upgrading the gateguns and so on.