EVE General Discussion

there is no 'impunity' for those cruisers. without logi they have roughly 30-45 seconds to kill you before they themselves are killed by sentries. if you jumped through something that could actually, you know, fight back, they would be at a massive disadvantage, as they are under a constant 375 omni DPS that cannot be out-tracked.

OP: I cannot believe you are still foolishly clinging to your petty view of what is right. One would think you'd be too embarrassed to build a case upon such a cringe worthy display of bad judgement.

You literally presented the softest target conceivable and then have the nerve to not only come whining on the forums about it, but also boneheadedly refuse to accept the feedback you're given.

Okay, you either have monstrous reading comprehension issues, or you are a serious troll. Either possibility screams at me "quit responding to this person."

What's so amazing is that you actually quoted what I said, and then right below it said something that I didn't say. While a severe handicap (assuming you are not a troll), it's an impressive ability, I give you that much.

It's far beyond me to get past such reading comprehension issues. Ask someone else to recommend a doctor, a special needs teacher, whatever, and I wish you luck. All I will say for other readers' sakes is "no, I'm not asking that."

Beast of Revelations,

Probably best to ignore the queen of subtle snide one liner troll remarks. Miss Sunshine and Lollipops is the leader of the troll parade and will constantly post replies in an attempt to out shout anyone who opposes her. Constantly posting her opinion as documented facts without providing any proof. Whenever asked, will always shift the burden of proof onto someone else.

This thread has gotten a lot of troll responses and will more than likely get locked.


DMC

First of all, I apologise if my original reply appeared 'narcissistic' and I was perhaps overstating my argument as the position of the 'community' at large. Perhaps a more accurate term would relate to the majority of the people that have replied in this thread. I can also add that I am not a "griefer" in the sense that you describe it - I would suggest that you reconsider the use of this term however, as it stands for something very different in EVE.



Perhaps the vast majority of the people in this thread misunderstood you Beast. I also read your original post in very different way. If your position is that 3 Cruisers in low-sec should not be able to camp gates and aggress neutral ships with 'impunity', then your argument is already answered: They cannot operate in such a way with impunity.

Impunity implies exemption from punishment or immunity from consequences/detrimental effects of an action. Both are applicable in this scenario as the 3 Cruisers would be punished for their actions (sec status loss, Global PvP flag, aggression from Sentry Guns) and are not immune from the detrimental effects of their action, namely ongoing Sentry Gun damage, ability for any other party to engage them with 'impunity' for next 15 minutes and inability to jump out or dock for 60 seconds (PvP flag).

Now of course, you didn't mean 'impunity', did you? Impunity just sounds better because it is such a strong, albeit generalised term, that continues to reinforce the validity and strength of your position, which without this smoke and mirrors reinforcement falls on its head.
And here is yet another 'straw-man argument', right? And I am just another 'griefer' or 'troll' that is here to save my easy gate-camping ways and get a rise out of you, right? Yes. All those generic terms that are loosely thrown about these forums, without a clear understanding of their actual meaning, give you an ability to dismiss valid counter-arguments and questions and sustain the belief that you are in fact right, despite the majority of posters stating otherwise. There is a generic term for that as well but I will refrain, and also I digress.

But OK, let us entertain this a while longer:

I suppose, and please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, what you were meant to say was that 3 Cruisers should be punished much more severely via game mechanics (increased damage output from gate-guns) than they are currently? This would, in your opinion, dissuade lacklustre gate-camps and promote further organisation within low-sec groups to effectively camp gates. The added bonus of this (and I gather this from your subsequent posts), would be that high-sec players may feel more reassured of their relative safety to enter and travel through low-sec.

Just a quick question Beast, could you explain, without reference to your T1 Industrial loss, why is this change necessary for the game? In responding, I would ask you to try and stay away from sweeping statements and generalisations and to try and think of the necessity of such a change for the game itself.

Thanks in advance.

Roger that.

Thread closed.