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Sentry guns pointless and stupid - buff them

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-04-18 03:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
It was two cruisers and a T3 and you jumped an Iteron V unscouted into Egghelende (which is almost always camped)

Write it off and be glad you didn't lose anything valuable

You could try learning from this because it's what, the fourth Iteron 5 you've lost in Egghelende?

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-04-18 03:04:17 UTC
I agree, Gate Guns definitely need a serious buff by CCP.

Gate guns are supposed to be deadly. Right now they are nothing more than just a minor annoyance.



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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-04-18 03:04:38 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I agree, Gate Guns definitely need a serious buff by CCP.

Gate guns are supposed to be deadly. Right now they are nothing more than just a minor annoyance.



DMC


No they don't, lowsec is supposed to be lowsec, not highsec.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-04-18 03:06:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Man the **** up and stop demanding that NPC entities fight your battles while you're AFK, goddamn

This is an MMO and you're blindly venturing into a zone that has drastically reduced penalties for aggression while in a poorly equipped ship, so stop crying because your dumb choices have consequences

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2013-04-18 03:08:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Gate guns are supposed to be deadly. Right now they are nothing more than just a minor annoyance.
Not really, no. They're meant to be an annoyance — something you don't want against you in a fight, and they do just that.

They remove the use of fast tacklers, drones, and unsupported ships, forcing a bit of co-ordination on the part of the aggressor. Nothing more is really needed, and each of these added requirements also means an additional point of weakness that can be exploited by people trying to get past the camp.

If none of that works, then hey, it's lowsec — if a gate is camped, just blow it up or bypass it. It's not rocket surgery.
Xain deSleena
420 Enterprises.
The Initiative.
#26 - 2013-04-18 03:12:27 UTC
Deep down you all know something is wrong with how Sentry Guns work in low sec. Before the recent changes Sentry Guns would shoot pilots with security status <= -0.5. Now the Sentry Guns only shoot if you engage in illegal activity against a pilot and only while the pilot is in the range of the Guns. Once the aggressing pilot warps off they are free to come back and attack the pilot due to a 'limited engagement' timer of 5 minutes? Pirates are free to roam in low sec and have very minimal consequences for their actions. It is almost impossible to get past a T3 boosted instalocking LOKI on a gate in low sec. There is no skill on the part of the LOKI pilot and there is no ship that can get past these type of gate camps other than a fast frigate or cloaky. EVE is for the solo players too they have to start somewhere. Rancer is 100 times worse now than it has ever been and how I loathe the inhabitants of that system Big smile
Beast of Revelations
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2013-04-18 03:12:56 UTC
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Scouts and/or support works wonders for keeping industrials alive in lowsec


Not everyone has the luxury of support. Not everyone has the luxury of a massive corporation or alliance to help them play the game. No, some people have to do everything on their own, by themselves.

More news at 11.

Andski wrote:
It was two cruisers and a T3 and you jumped an Iteron V unscouted into Egghelende (which is almost always camped)

Write it off and be glad you didn't lose anything valuable

You could try learning from this because it's what, the fourth Iteron 5 you've lost in Egghelende?


It was a bestower (I am amarr, I don't have iteron skills), and it wasn't anywhere near Egghelende.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-04-18 03:13:48 UTC
I mean goddamn CCP is already nerfing RSBs (and, subsequently, instalocking camps) under the guise of "removing something that's too easy for our liking"

but nooo we need more nerfs to keep us safe while autopiloting through lowsec

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dark heartt
#29 - 2013-04-18 03:16:39 UTC
Beast of Revelations wrote:


Not everyone has the luxury of support. Not everyone has the luxury of a massive corporation or alliance to help them play the game. No, some people have to do everything on their own, by themselves.

More news at 11.


Then those people should learn to play with others. I run mostly solo too because of my real life situation, but I still get help when I need it.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-04-18 03:19:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Beast of Revelations wrote:
It was a bestower (I am amarr, I don't have iteron skills), and it wasn't anywhere near Egghelende.


So you got popped in Tannolen by a Zealot, a Devoter and a Rapier, while carrying a load of PI stuff

Protip these aren't "just cruisers"

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2013-04-18 03:22:02 UTC
Xain deSleena wrote:
Deep down you all know something is wrong with how Sentry Guns work in low sec.
Nope. Do you have any examples?

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Once the aggressing pilot warps off they are free to come back and attack the pilot due to a 'limited engagement' timer of 5 minutes?
Not entirely accurate, no. A limited engagement happens if someone shoots back at a suspect or criminal, and that is entirely up to the target. If the aggressor triggers the sentries, warps off, comes back, and attacks again, he will once again trigger the sentries.

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Pirates are free to roam in low sec and have very minimal consequences for their actions.
Yes? That's kind of the point of lowsec, and it rather explains why sentries were made less aggressive: so that there would be more opportunities and lower costs to attacking people.

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EVE is for the solo players too they have to start somewhere.
Sure. It has pretty much no bearing on the topic at hand, though. Solo players choose to not employ the most potent force in the game: numbers, and as such, they will be at a distinct disadvantage against those who do. It is as it should be, and they simply have to learn to compensate for that decision (and/or learn to relish the added difficulty they've chosen for themselves).

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Rancer is 100 times worse now than it has ever been and how I loathe the inhabitants of that system Big smile
Why? It's not like you have to go there, so why are you getting so worked up about it?
Beast of Revelations
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2013-04-18 03:22:42 UTC
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Man the **** up and stop demanding that NPC entities fight your battles while you're AFK, goddamn


Because you're omnipotent and know that I was AFK, right?

In fact, I was only AFK a short time... THROUGH HI-SEC. I stopped being AFK right as I made the jump into a 0.4 system. I specifically wasn't AFK during low-sec travel because I didn't want to be AFK during low-sec travel. Comprehende'?

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This is an MMO and you're blindly venturing into a zone that has drastically reduced penalties for aggression while in a poorly equipped ship, so stop crying because your dumb choices have consequences


Duh... how on earth could a bestower driven by a person with low skills who hasn't played the game for 7 years straight NOT be 'poorly equipped'?

And my choices aren't the ones that don't have consequences... 'friend.' They have quite large consequences for someone at my level - weeks worth of ISK gone for nothing. The choices without consequences are the choices of the lo-sec griefer douchbags you are defending. By all means sentry guns should just tickle cruisers, and stop firing after the victim is dead.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-04-18 03:27:27 UTC
Beast of Revelations wrote:
Because you're omnipotent and know that I was AFK, right?

In fact, I was only AFK a short time... THROUGH HI-SEC. I stopped being AFK right as I made the jump into a 0.4 system. I specifically wasn't AFK during low-sec travel because I didn't want to be AFK during low-sec travel. Comprehende'?


So when you could have docked your industrial and jumped through the gate in a throwaway ship to ensure the coast is clear, you opted to simply jump into lowsec blindly? You don't have to be a goddamn genius to think "hmm maybe I should scout it before jumping my loaded industrial blindly into lowsec" - but hey, keep asking for the necessity of "thought" to be removed from the game!

Beast of Revelations wrote:
Duh... how on earth could a bestower driven by a person with low skills who hasn't played the game for 7 years straight NOT be 'poorly equipped'?

And my choices aren't the ones that don't have consequences... 'friend.' They have quite large consequences for someone at my level - weeks worth of ISK gone for nothing. The choices without consequences are the choices of the lo-sec griefer douchbags you are defending. By all means sentry guns should just tickle cruisers, and stop firing after the victim is dead.


You did not have to blindly jump your Bestower into lowsec, for one. Your choice was to be lazy and jump in blindly, and you paid the price. Deal with it.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#34 - 2013-04-18 03:29:42 UTC
Beast of Revelations wrote:
Not everyone has the luxury of support.
Then learn to use the map; learn to avoid the obvious choke points; pick ships and strategies that give you a bit more leeway. Either way, going up against T2/T3 combat ships in a T1 hauler, unsupported, is a very very bad idea.

Effectively, you had a 3v1 situation — you were outnumbered and the sentries were outgunned. The outcome you're complaining about is entirely justified.

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Duh... how on earth could a bestower driven by a person with low skills who hasn't played the game for 7 years straight NOT be 'poorly equipped'?
The skill requirement for properly fitting a Bestower is absolutely minimal.

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And my choices aren't the ones that don't have consequences... 'friend.' They have quite large consequences for someone at my level - weeks worth of ISK gone for nothing.
And what have you learned? No, “buff sentries” is not it…
Unit757
North Point
#35 - 2013-04-18 03:33:49 UTC
This guy is going places.

Are you that bloody thick? Do you honestly think that you have the right to jump about EVE as you please, and not get attacked if you jump into the wrong place?

**** off and biomass yourself. Uninstall game to please
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-04-18 03:34:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
so yeah you had other choices but oh no they affect your isk/hr unfavorably (unlike getting blown up in your hauler full of PI goo)

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-04-18 03:46:19 UTC
Xain deSleena wrote:
Deep down you all know something is wrong with how Sentry Guns work in low sec. Before the recent changes Sentry Guns would shoot pilots with security status <= -0.5.

no
Beast of Revelations
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#38 - 2013-04-18 03:47:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Beast of Revelations
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So when you could have docked your industrial and jumped through the gate in a throwaway ship to ensure the coast is clear, you opted to simply jump into lowsec blindly?


Because you know I didn't do that. And because you know it isn't possible for people to jump to gate camp between the time I scout and the time I arrive in my industrial. And because you know they couldn't have been sitting there cloaked, therefore couldn't have been seen.

"Open your local!" Because you know that I didn't do that too, although I can tell you that keeping local open is entirely useless, as there are always people in every low-sec shithole, so it tells you nothing.

You sure know a lot about a situation you weren't there to observe.

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Either way, going up against T2/T3 combat ships in a T1 hauler, unsupported, is a very very bad idea.


Check out the big brain on this one.

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Are you that bloody thick? Do you honestly think that you have the right to jump about EVE as you please, and not get attacked if you jump into the wrong place?


Because that's what I've said here many times - that I have the right to jump about EVE as I please without getting attacked. I didn't say 'adjust the risk/reward ratio for low-sec griefer douchebags who shrug off hits from sentries while sitting in cruisers, and have no consequences whatsoever for their actions.' No, I said what you just said above.
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-04-18 03:47:27 UTC
Too many people are able to manage these risks just fine for people to take your complaints seriously OP. When others are able to navigate freighters safely through low, null, and w-space just fine, we can't help but think the problem isn't the game.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-04-18 03:49:11 UTC
Beast of Revelations wrote:
Because that's what I've said here many times - that I have the right to jump about EVE as I please without getting attacked. I didn't say 'adjust the risk/reward ratio for low-sec griefer douchebags who shrug off hits from sentries while sitting in cruisers, and have no consequences whatsoever for their actions.' No, I said what you just said above.


There are consequences. The problem is that unlike hisec, it's up to players to deliver them. I can see why this is a difficult concept for hisec players, who are used to being coddled by NPCs.

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