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Public Service Announcement about "Isk Doublers"

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Saeri Averes-Vith
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2013-04-18 11:31:31 UTC
People like you are the cancer of EVE, OP.

If people like you weren't so dumb or wanna-be-clever, there would be a lot less scammers spamming the channels.
Halvan Zan
Doomheim
#82 - 2013-04-18 15:04:58 UTC
This is all that I could picture while reading this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdF_Vo4B6Ms



DeMichael Crimson wrote:
About 4 1/2 yrs ago, back when I was a young capsuleer, I took a chance on one of those 'Double Your ISK' things to the tune of 15 mill. That was pretty much my wallet amount. After I sent the ISK, the scammer did a private convo with me asking me to do 100 mill, Of course he didn't know I didn't have any more ISK. I simply told him to first double the 15 mill and then I'll gladly do the 100 mill. The scammer told me he was in convo with others and would do it shortly, then he left the private convo.

All attempts at trying to re-establish communications was futile. I then placed the scammer on watch list and set him to red standing. I then stayed logged into the game for long lengths of time, at least 16 hrs a day, always looking for him. When he logged back into the game, I used a locator agent and quickly warped over to the system he was in and spammed Local chat linking his name with the words = Liar, Thief, Scammer. Eventually he left the system and after I did a mad dash jumping into neighboring systems, I found him again and started doing the same thing again, spamming Local with my message about the scammer. He soon logged off.

However, I remained vigilant and whenever he came online, I was soon in the same system posting my message in Local. This went on for about a week, then one day he sent me a mail message saying I had won, deposited 15 mill in my wallet and told me to leave him alone.

Sure, I didn't get the 'Double Your ISK' but at least I got my initial amount back. Granted it took me some time to do that but in the end vengeance was mine. I've heard it said before that vengeance is best when served cold but I'm here to tell you that it's way better when served fresh, hot off the grill.



DMC

Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-04-18 16:12:48 UTC
Shao Huang wrote:

shill.

Edit: in other MMO's it is possible for a single player to rid a single server of 'ISK'/'gold' doublers. I do not think the scale or mechanics of EVE allow this. There are two steps. Often only one is needed.

1- you bombard their means of trade with zero value transactions. It makes it impossible for them to respond to their marks.
2- while doing this you actively troll them out into public, beyond their bot ads. They get quite angry and ruin their own market, but usually that is not even necessary.

I know this works because I have done it multiple times in multiple games. It simply becomes unprofitable for them to operate in that area or on that server. This actually works for many kinds of third party profiteers. Eventually you can create a local cultural norm about it where the potential marks now have a persistent hostility toward such activities and take pride in trolling them out. The ISK doubler is essentially 'lazy' and will move to someplace easier to operate. Because EVE is geared to be able to handle transactions and is so vast this would not likely work here, nor be worth the trouble. It is necessary to create a consistently hostile business environment for them. Though it does not take the kind of 16 hour obsession reported here, you do have to be vigilant for a short period of time and willing to log an alt. Educating the 'mark' alone is insufficient. However if other people relaize they can punish the doubler in some way it very rapidly becomes good fun to do so. Actually paying the doubler anything is the opposite direction you want to go. If you cannot destroy their profitability through insane transaction costs there is little you can do. 'Education' such as the OP imagines not only does not work, but creates the opportunity for shilling by the doublers themselves, as we see above.


If I'd thought about it a little harder, at the time.... your method does make a lot more sense.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2013-04-18 16:26:29 UTC
Saeri Averes-Vith wrote:
People like you are the cancer of EVE, OP.

If people like you weren't so dumb or wanna-be-clever, there would be a lot less scammers spamming the channels.


Carebears and ragequitters are the cancer of EVE.
I'm more like..... well... I can't think of anything that is 50% annoying and 50% actually kind of amusing to have around, but if there is such a disease, that's what I am.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2013-04-18 16:30:39 UTC
Jarod, could you just cut out the text boxes and post them in full size? I checked your screen shot and the text was too small to be readable without effort.

Or, better yet, maybe you could just post the chat log?

And, as an aside, I think you should conduct another test on a "real" ISK doubler. If you send me 1 billion ISK I will give you 2 billion ISK in return. If you doubt me there is only one way to prove it.
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2013-04-18 16:39:18 UTC
Fractal Muse wrote:
Jarod, could you just cut out the text boxes and post them in full size? I checked your screen shot and the text was too small to be readable without effort.

Or, better yet, maybe you could just post the chat log?

And, as an aside, I think you should conduct another test on a "real" ISK doubler. If you send me 1 billion ISK I will give you 2 billion ISK in return. If you doubt me there is only one way to prove it.



That's just silly.

Only one person has made a helpful post here, so far, and that's Shao Huang... the guy that actually shared a REAL method to get rid of these a**hats. Which is one of the reasons I posted this.

And, you're not even that unique.... like, half the people that have left dumb comments here, have said the exact same thing you just did.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Halvan Zan
Doomheim
#87 - 2013-04-18 18:01:24 UTC
Lol. Can't tell if drunk or challenged in other ways.

Did you expect anything less after you bent over for a scammer, and then came to brag about it?
Shao Huang
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2013-04-18 18:19:03 UTC
Fractal Muse wrote:
Jarod, could you just cut out the text boxes and post them in full size? I checked your screen shot and the text was too small to be readable without effort.

Or, better yet, maybe you could just post the chat log?

And, as an aside, I think you should conduct another test on a "real" ISK doubler. If you send me 1 billion ISK I will give you 2 billion ISK in return. If you doubt me there is only one way to prove it.


The professional doubler will often invest in some small, leveraged, group of people in order to create shills. You are transparent.

Private sig. Do not read.

Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#89 - 2013-04-18 18:28:54 UTC
Andski wrote:
i didn't know isk doublers were scams, thanks for the notice!


Add that to the list of things you dont know. Need more bandwidth?
Merouk Baas
#90 - 2013-04-18 18:30:39 UTC
That was the dumbest thing I've read in some time. You gave her 1.2 billion to confirm that yes, she'd take it?

I thought it was going to be a blog about how you tested with small amounts to see where she'd stop returning the money, and / or tricked her into "doubling" some of your cash some.

You titled your blog about getting even one scammer out of Dodixie; did you? Is she still there?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2013-04-18 18:58:31 UTC
Halvan Zan wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
About 4 1/2 yrs ago, back when I was a young capsuleer, I took a chance on one of those 'Double Your ISK' things to the tune of 15 mill. That was pretty much my wallet amount. After I sent the ISK, the scammer did a private convo with me asking me to do 100 mill, Of course he didn't know I didn't have any more ISK. I simply told him to first double the 15 mill and then I'll gladly do the 100 mill. The scammer told me he was in convo with others and would do it shortly, then he left the private convo.

All attempts at trying to re-establish communications was futile. I then placed the scammer on watch list and set him to red standing. I then stayed logged into the game for long lengths of time, at least 16 hrs a day, always looking for him. When he logged back into the game, I used a locator agent and quickly warped over to the system he was in and spammed Local chat linking his name with the words = Liar, Thief, Scammer. Eventually he left the system and after I did a mad dash jumping into neighboring systems, I found him again and started doing the same thing again, spamming Local with my message about the scammer. He soon logged off.

However, I remained vigilant and whenever he came online, I was soon in the same system posting my message in Local. This went on for about a week, then one day he sent me a mail message saying I had won, deposited 15 mill in my wallet and told me to leave him alone.

Sure, I didn't get the 'Double Your ISK' but at least I got my initial amount back. Granted it took me some time to do that but in the end vengeance was mine. I've heard it said before that vengeance is best when served cold but I'm here to tell you that it's way better when served fresh, hot off the grill.



DMC


This is all that I could picture while reading this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdF_Vo4B6Ms


Hahaha,

Seriously, you're soooo funny
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2013-04-18 19:11:45 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:


You spent a week logged into Eve for 16 hours a day, following someone around for 15 mil.

You're either crazy or daft, maybe a little of both. Roll



He's the Eve equivalent of Overly Attached Girlfriend.

No, I'm not crazy or daft. This happened back when I first started playing this game. YES it was only 15 mill ISK (my total wallet amount) which is a lot to a new player. Obviously you missed the whole point of the story - I got revenge and at the same time foiled any attempts of the scammer to scam others.

Ai Shun wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
I proved that I can spend 1.2 bil to troll the entire forum for a few hours... and add some interest to the game when I can't PvP....


Hell, Andski, Tippia, DMC and Frying Doom does that all day and none of them spends a single ISK to do so ... Lol


First of all, how dare you include me with them.

Secondly, you forgot to include your own name to that list.

Third, I don't troll.



DMC
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#93 - 2013-04-18 19:14:47 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
If someone would be so kind as to sticky this. I shelled out a good amount of ISK to get this conversation to happen.

Noobs, don't fall for dumb crap. And here is why, in plain sight. I've been in this game long enough to know a scam, and decided to do something about one of them, so you all don't get roped into this kind of thing.
Flying since 2007... so sometimes, this is how bored I get with EVE

Read up and educate yourselves.

http://jarodgaramonde.blogspot.com/


Well It was so important that I miss that..... But he somebody fall for it.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#94 - 2013-04-18 19:21:30 UTC
OP has changed my life.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2013-04-18 19:39:35 UTC
Halvan Zan wrote:
Lol. Can't tell if drunk or challenged in other ways.

Did you expect anything less after you bent over for a scammer, and then came to brag about it?


Dude.... I'm Jarod freaking Garamonde..... of COURSE I'm drunk. It's been my schtick, since my first toon, in '03.
I'd be stoned, too... but weed is still illegal in my state.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2013-04-18 19:41:32 UTC
question for all..... if this thread is so fail, why does it have 96 posts?

who's more the fool? The fool, or the fool who follows him?

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Untanas Volmyr
Perkone
Caldari State
#97 - 2013-04-18 19:45:56 UTC
'its not a pyramid scheme! Its a lateral business elevation opportunity!' said by some rich guy who tried to convince me to invest in his company. At least we got a free banquet.

Murphy's Technology Law - If your not thoroughly confused. Then you were not thoroughly informed.

Wolf Silentheart
Federal Federation
#98 - 2013-04-18 19:46:32 UTC
I'm an African princess and decided to give you all my money. You just need to send me a check for $9000 so that I know you're real.
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2013-04-18 19:56:45 UTC
Untanas Volmyr wrote:
'its not a pyramid scheme! Its a lateral business elevation opportunity!' said by some rich guy who tried to convince me to invest in his company. At least we got a free banquet.



And at least I got something to amuse myself with for a few days.

"Dude.... you're a scammer, and I'm not falling for your scam, I don't care how many people say you're legit. But, I'm bored, so here's my money, and I'm going to try to ruin your ill-gotten credibility. Watch me give zero f***s, and make a joke out of it.... even if I'm the only one who thinks it's funny." pretty much sums it up.

Now, tomorrow, I get my new apartment and computer, so hopefully all my future blogs will be about my comical approach to PvP.
Thanks for keeping me company. You guys are awesome.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2013-04-18 22:32:06 UTC
PS..... plz lock dis..... thread no longer amuses me....

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]