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DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#1 - 2013-04-17 19:36:51 UTC | Edited by: DarthNefarius

Odyssy ICE ~~speculation~~ DEPLETION ANNONCED @ FANFEST...ICE RESOURCE DISTRIBUTION

Word in the forums & FANFEST about comming resource changes have brought up an interesting idea to discuss:
How ~~would~~WILL POS fuel & other markets be affected if icefields DEPLETE ~~were moved out of~~ IN HI SEC?
Seems to me with the LONG Ice Harvestor cycles harvesting in NULL/LO is overly risky unless you are in deep SOV.
Also WH's have no Ice fields would they quicky be taking a POS fuel hike hit due to thier dependance on transporting it in?

EDIT FIXED WITH ANNOUCEMENTS @ FANFEST Big smile

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Daimon Kaiera

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#2 - 2013-04-17 19:41:01 UTC

DarthNefarius wrote:

affected if icefields were moved out of HI SEC?

I can see where this thread is going.

Crash and burn.

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Sentient Blade

Crisis Atmosphere

Coalition of the Unfortunate

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#3 - 2013-04-17 19:41:36 UTC

It would be a pretty sad state of affairs if it cost a billion a month or more to fuel a basic POS, something which people should aspire to do, because all the ice was moved into null.

But yes, from personal experience, nullsec mining is rarely done except for when surrounded by a large buffer of blues. These minerals and ice almost all go towards the local POS towers.

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stoicfaux Likes received: 6,283	#4 - 2013-04-17 19:41:39 UTC 11 Aside from bots, those who inhabit null/low don't strike me as the "mine ice until they drop dead of boredom" types. Moving the fields plus a major bot ban by CCP would probably crash the economy in both null and high. Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 242
Nathalie LaPorte Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic Likes received: 242	#5 - 2013-04-17 19:44:33 UTC 3 stoicfaux wrote: Aside from bots, those who inhabit null/low don't strike me as the "mine ice until they drop dead of boredom" types. Moving the fields plus a major bot ban by CCP would probably crash the economy in both null and high. Why would that be bad?

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J'Ribs Zepthanui Likes received: 33	#6 - 2013-04-17 19:46:28 UTC 3 Maybe Ice will run out. The Jita belts ran out.


Nathalie LaPorte Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic Likes received: 242	#7 - 2013-04-17 19:50:00 UTC 14 J'Ribs wrote: Maybe Ice will run out. The Jita belts ran out. The Ice must flow.

DarthNefarius

Minmatar Heavy Industries

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#8 - 2013-04-17 19:50:43 UTC | Edited by: DarthNefarius

J'Ribs wrote:

Maybe Ice will run out.

The Jita belts ran out.

Or a change that made ICE fields deplete quicker ( yes they do occasionally pop)? Though that would pissoff the western Pacific TZ's again to no end.

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Felicity Love

Doomheim

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#9 - 2013-04-17 20:00:52 UTC | Edited by: Felicity Love

Ice fields have been nerfed before.

They were not set to deplete like asteroids belts, but completely removed from the game map.

While I doubt that ice fields will disappear entirely from any region of EVE, I would not be surprised to see both:

a) ice fields set to deplete, in the same fashion as asteroids, and
b) at least partially relocated in the form of a scannable site, aka: "comets". Call it a "gas cloud with ice". Whatever. Blink

Particularly since we're getting a whole new spin on "Scanning" with Odyssey -- some form of diminished, but relocated ice supply is at least plausible.

We might even see some manifestation of "ring mining", although not much has been said about that wondrous notion since the last Fanfest ( CCP Soundwave's keynote speech, IIRC).

In the meantime, stay tuned to Fanfest for any juicy tidbits of actual fact -- or not. Blink

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Ministry of War Amarr Empire 760
Murk Paradox Ministry of War Amarr Empire Likes received: 760	#10 - 2013-04-17 20:03:20 UTC 3 Gravimetric site only(of sorts). Aquametric? /nod This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate.

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Abrazzar Vardaugas Family Likes received: 6,225	#11 - 2013-04-17 20:07:05 UTC 1 I want more action mining to get the most out of the speed and manoeuvrability of my Skiff. The +10% ores just don't cut it. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics

Sentient Blade

Crisis Atmosphere

Coalition of the Unfortunate

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#12 - 2013-04-17 20:09:59 UTC

I'd be all in favour of exploration being required to find them. Maybe 1 or 2 comets automatically spread out among each constellation, with enough ice in them to last 3 or 4 hours at the mining levels of the current belts.

If you really want to make ice mining worthwhile you make every offline POS explode after 3 weeks and then watch as all those offline towers get replaced by new ones all requiring fuel.

Maybe add battleship rats to ice belts as well. I can see a new profession forming, merc logistics that would rep anyone they had on their books as having paid a monthly "protection" fee when they came under attack from the NPCs.

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Karl Hobb Imperial Margarine Likes received: 2,206	#13 - 2013-04-17 20:10:51 UTC DarthNefarius wrote: Or a change that made ICE fields deplete quicker ( yes they do occasionally pop)? Though that would pissoff the western Pacific TZ's again to no end. Thanks, ****. A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

State War Academy Caldari State 3,900
mynnna State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 3,900	#14 - 2013-04-17 20:29:03 UTC 3 Even just leaving them in highsec but setting them to deplete would probably triple the price of isotopes. Do other things, and it goes up from there. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal

Felicity Love

Doomheim

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#15 - 2013-04-17 20:33:51 UTC

Murk Paradox wrote:

Gravimetric site only(of sorts).

Aquametric?

/nod

Yeah, a "gravimetric" would do... and CCP could be really imaginative and seed "comets" around the edges of any given star system.

For lack of a better term, call it an "Oort Cloud" idea.

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turmajin

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#16 - 2013-04-17 20:42:55 UTC | Edited by: turmajin

I dont really think ICE will be moved out of high sec to be honest.The price would sky rocket,and only the alliances with massive ISK incomes could realy offord to keep furling moon POSes ect in any numbers.Which would be a substantial barrier to new corps getting into null and even low .I can see ICE fields being depleted as do the asteriod fields atm,and that would be advantagous to some degree in liniting POSes on moons.But again it wouldnt wildly affect the big rich alliances .New sorces of ICE products wouldnt also be nice COMETS or ICE clounds.Ring mining i dont see happening till at least next year tbh

Nathalie LaPorte

Native Freshfood

Minmatar Republic

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#17 - 2013-04-17 20:46:00 UTC

turmajin wrote:

I dont really think ICE will be moved out of high sec to be honest.The price would sky rocket,and only the alliances with massive ISK incomes could realy offord to keep furling moon POSes ect in any numbers.Which would be a substantial barrier to new corps getting into null and even low .I can see ICE fields being depleted as do the asteriod fields atm,and that would be advantagous to some degree in liniting POSes on moons.But again it would wildly affect the big rich alliances .New sorces of ICE products wouldnt also be nice COMETS or ICE clounds.

The NEW source of ICE products will be the FROZEN tears of posters here, flash frozen into VALUABLE products by the pure cold OF nullsec. WORD.

Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 351
Djana Libra Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 351	#18 - 2013-04-17 20:52:40 UTC 3 ice mining alt wanting to drive the price up spotted!


Nathalie LaPorte Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic Likes received: 242	#19 - 2013-04-17 21:07:50 UTC Djana Libra wrote: ice mining alt wanting to drive the price up spotted! confirming that market speculation, measured by ISK invested, is done primarily by casual miners, and not quintillionaire traders.

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baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#20 - 2013-04-17 21:09:41 UTC Nathalie LaPorte wrote: Djana Libra wrote: ice mining alt wanting to drive the price up spotted! confirming that market speculation, measured by ISK invested, is done primarily by casual miners, and not quintillionaire traders. It was EN24 that caused one of the ice spikes.