Warfare & Tactics

Hello everyone,

Let me start by saying i'm quite new here. I'm interested in FW and joined it yesterday. I believe Amarr need more numbers in the fight against Minmatar so i joined the golden fleets with lasers and stuff.

I tried running some novice plexes already and somehow everytime a kiting Condor would warp in and tackle me. I'm interested in fighting so I stayed the first time in my AB fit Punisher which was not fast enough and did not have the range to deal any damage. I died.
I came back with an Executioner (still AB fit, can't use MWD yet) and another kiting Condor appeared. I managed just to get out of disruptor range and warp off with my armor running low. I tried fitting beam lasers with radio ammo and still did not do much.

My fit is something like this:

Highs - 3x beams or pulse lasers
Mids - AB, web and scram
Lows - damage control, plate and a rep

Of course, there's the question of skillpoints too but it seems missiles have superior damage projection and they use target disruptors while kitting. What would you suggest to do if I'm solo and flying a T1 Amarr frigate?

I would rather stay but for now I just have to warp out before getting locked otherwise I simply die without even putting up a fight.
Any feedback appreciated!

As above. Someone will probably say 'slingshot' but that just isn't going to work in a plated Punisher against a Condor, especially with low skills.

Sometimes you just have to avoid the paper to your rock.

Keep in mind that every ship setup has a hard counter. These Condors are carefully selecting their engagements accordingly. They see a slow, short-ranged frigate and they know they can safely kite it and kill it or escape 100% of the time. If you bring, say, a slicer they probably just won't engage you in the first place because the slicer has the range and speed to kill them. The trick is finding a ship with surprise factor that they will engage but will still give you a fighting chance.

BTW, a single unbonused damp will reduce a Condor's lock range to about 20 km, which is still enough for them to kite you.

A faster ship with a scram, and more dps. Which means every other T1 attack frigate.

Considering your skills, I wouldn't even try to counter with speed yet. A basic kiting Condor (i.e.: MWD II, not loaded down with speed mods, no Snakes) flown by someone with good skills can top 3.5km/s without overheating. You're just now thinking about being skilled enough for MWDs, so your own ships won't be nearly approaching that speed. You can compensate with tactics (slingshot, yo-yo, etc), but it's going to be an uphill battle.

I'd personally go for a destroyer if I were you. Fit for a decent tank and good damage projection. The Coercer and Dragoon can be fitted to do some serious harm to long range ships (think small focused pulse lasers, or maybe small focused beams, though beams will often require tracking help). Keep in mind that a kiting Condor doesn't exactly have massive damage, while an 8 turret Coercer only needs to get one solid hit to really hurt something.

^goin with the guy regarding hard counters and condor pilots picking fights.

Guys that kite often have more experience, and will usually know which fights to pick, and which not to.

You can avoid getting running into these situations by scouting out a plex before entering it, and "beat them inside." Once inside before they are, you both start at 0, and typically have a good chance of getting the web/scam/neut on 'em before they can pull range.

Most kiter pilots are relying on their orbit command to do the dirty work, so changing alignments, pulsing your ab/mwd in one direction then rapidly changing direction with a sudden overheat, etc etc are all methods that often work if the pilot doesn't catch on too early.

Kiter dps is typically lower, due to the range advantage. So stay calm. Chances are, if you're caught, you'll have multiple chances to slingshot 'em around a few times to get tackle or get out. If you don't get 'em by the third or fourth try, focus on getting your pod out after that. You've run into a good enough pilot that's probably gonna hold on to you, or has t3 links helping 'em out.

Anyone can fly any ship they want. They just need the skills and the resources to get it (isk)

This. Get out of Eve Uni and learn what combat really means around here.

NOOOOO! Don't listen to the UNI!!

They are evil mind controlling overlords who are destroying pvp in eve!!!!!!!!!

On a side note. Come join us. We fly whatever the hell we like and get blown up lots. But at least we have FUN

MWD, scram, web, MASB slasher.


Set up at range and hide the MWD by reducing max-speed and make him think you're AB fit. Watch him burn in (lolol, ab frig here i come), when he's approaching targeting range, heat all the things and set speed back to max. \o/

Tackle, kill, coffee break.