Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Turrets are pretty great, I agree. But honestly I've flown a great many kinds of ships and cruise is pretty damn good at PVE - especially with 30% more damage. You sound like someone that doesn't know how to fit a missile ship TBH.

-Liang

Ed: Protip: filling your lows with CPRs is Doing It Wrong.

You should define your "damn good" because I have no idea how to measure it.
If you're just a EFT warrior than I know what your good means.
If not, you should describe what is good for you. Is it some "good" when you are able kill a rat or is it when you kill that rat within 15 sec?

I've been doing PvE since 06 and believe me I know how to fit ships.

All fine and dandy, but balancing missiles has been an Achilles heel for quite some time now, excuse me for staying skeptical until the cat is actually in the bag.
And please don't call it a pvp game I understand the need to be seen as "Hardcore" in EvE but PvE is the basis of it all just as in real life we exist by the grace of the environment not just stealing each others lunch money.
That said cruise missiles were delegated completely to the realm of PvE so expect to get some PvE responses.
As I am fully aware of the PvP content, and would love to see more viability for flying smaller hulls instead of large gun turret=everything shenanigans.
I would love to actually hear WHERE we can expect large missiles to stand compared to large guns with their different respective mechanics of course.

Not saying CCP can't do anything right but having a fail weapon system for a long time can get tedious and make one wonder if the end of the tunnel is in sight.
Wouldn't be too bad to know what to que up next, pretty invested into missiles but gunnery still takes like a fraction of missile SP while adding support skills for 3 weapon types minimally depending on how you look at it.

Fitting cruise on a Raven was never a problem. The new Raven is getting 1875 PG and 62.5 CPU, so the 1080 PG for 6x CMLs won't even cover the extra. The Typhoon has even more PG, it'll be peachy.

I really am a terrible person, and I'm really sorry, but this made me bite my lip.

I know, I know, take it in context with the coversation.

Tbh you kinda sound like an EFT warrior here. In many missions, exploration sites, and anoms, there are independent groups of enemies that can be more than a 100km apart.

With cruise, you warp in and start shooting, hit approach on the acceleration gate, and that's it. With blasters, you warp in, burn over to one group, start shooting, burn to the second group, start shooting, burn to the third group, start shooting, burn to the fourth....etc. etc. ad nauseoum and then you have to burn back to the acceleration gate.

In practice, the time you save getting in range by using cruise works out to a much higher isk/hour. The only turrets that can really compare well to cruise in this regard are lasers, and they have their own limitations.

However, none of this affects pvp. The issue of hitting moving targets in pvp is what really gimps the larger missiles. A cruise missile will do significantly reduced damage to a target moving at 400m/s at 100k. Arty, Rails, and Beams will have no trouble hitting said target for full damage, instantaneously. Unless this changes, cruise will always be an exclusively pve platform.

Well actually it is quite easy to make things come to you, just fire at something outside of actual range.
With the proper ammo large autocannons will fire out to 60-80km not too familiar with pulse lasers but all these factors combined really make for a non-argument.
I would look into that again because that is half the problem with missiles you really don't do anything special with a LOT of drawbacks.

That said the BOLDED part of your comment hits the nail on the head, (not just in PvP) due to mission frigs MWD'ing straight at gun boats they can be insta-popped and rats are actually finished in the proper order too killing the small stuff closing in fast then the larger things that trigger and are ez to hit.
I doubt tracking nerfs will affect this mechanic but we will see, ergo my skepticism.

You can probably find some of my old mission efficiency e-peen warrioring threads if you like.

-Liang

Don't forget that Many BS's are getting a Sig.Rad. Increase with the rebalance.

And on those threads are one of the few were Liang argument is damm impressive :P