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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2013-04-18 20:20:39 UTC
In true Boston fashion, the Bruins fans led the way with the national anthem at the Boston Bruins game on Weds. night.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#122 - 2013-04-18 20:33:39 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Graygor wrote:
I'd rather not see the beast wake up.

Last time it awoke, two sovereign nations were toppled, and the hangover yet lingers on in the form of Hellfire missiles.
From inside teh beast, I too hope we are allowed to slumber on.

On the other hand we can note that in both cases the UN was in favor of intervention. In Afghanistan every nation in Europe was out for vengeance too, and Russia was on side. The Taliban were systematically breaking international law and when push came to shove they didn't think they had to own their irresponsibility. They had the option to allow NATO and UN forces to pursue Al-Querida and instead resisted.

In Iraq there was over a decades worth of sanctions the regime was not abiding by. If the UN did not enforce sanctions why should anyone take it seriously?

The incompetence of the subsequent occupations are another matter entirely.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#123 - 2013-04-18 20:46:16 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Graygor wrote:
I'd rather not see the beast wake up.

Last time it awoke, two sovereign nations were toppled, and the hangover yet lingers on in the form of Hellfire missiles.
From inside teh beast, I too hope we are allowed to slumber on.

On the other hand we can note that in both cases the UN was in favor of intervention. In Afghanistan every nation in Europe was out for vengeance too, and Russia was on side. The Taliban were systematically breaking international law and when push came to shove they didn't think they had to own their irresponsibility. They had the option to allow NATO and UN forces to pursue Al-Querida and instead resisted.

In Iraq there was over a decades worth of sanctions the regime was not abiding by. If the UN did not enforce sanctions why should anyone take it seriously?

The incompetence of the subsequent occupations are another matter entirely.
All true, and yet a LOT of people not directly connected to the crimes died for things they had nothing to do with. Needless death is needless death. There were, even back then, alternative means for gutting the responsible parties.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#124 - 2013-04-18 20:56:03 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
All true, and yet a LOT of people not directly connected to the crimes died for things they had nothing to do with. Needless death is needless death. There were, even back then, alternative means for gutting the responsible parties.

Aye, that was part collateral damage, but there was systemic failures of understanding that lead to the issues. Iraq was something the League of Nations cooked for the sake of occupying 3 provinces of the former Ottoman Empire under the British Mandate. It was a legal fiction not a nation, the 2003 occupation would have worked better had Iraq been broken into these three provinces as independent states. Suddenly no civil war, or a greatly reduced one as Baghdad does not control Kurdistan.

Again, Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded by the United Nations, which required it pass the votes of the General Assembly and the entire UN Security Council. I'm annoyed that it has been passed off as the fault of the Coalition and NATO as opposed to those that authorized that exact force.

I wonder about our intelligence services sometimes, a brief history of Iraq shows this.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#125 - 2013-04-18 20:59:24 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Graygor wrote:
I'd rather not see the beast wake up.

Last time it awoke, two sovereign nations were toppled, and the hangover yet lingers on in the form of Hellfire missiles.
From inside teh beast, I too hope we are allowed to slumber on.


To be true, some people abroad are a bit startled that American policies lead to killing foreign children while American children are killed at their schools, all in the name of security.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2013-04-18 21:03:24 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
All true, and yet a LOT of people not directly connected to the crimes died for things they had nothing to do with. Needless death is needless death. There were, even back then, alternative means for gutting the responsible parties.

Aye, that was part collateral damage, but there was systemic failures of understanding that lead to the issues. Iraq was something the League of Nations cooked for the sake of occupying 3 provinces of the former Ottoman Empire under the British Mandate. It was a legal fiction not a nation, the 2003 occupation would have worked better had Iraq been broken into these three provinces as independent states. Suddenly no civil war, or a greatly reduced one as Baghdad does not control Kurdistan.

Again, Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded by the United Nations, which required it pass the votes of the General Assembly and the entire UN Security Council. I'm annoyed that it has been passed off as the fault of the Coalition and NATO as opposed to those that authorized that exact force.

I wonder about our intelligence services sometimes, a brief history of Iraq shows this.


Also the NSA and CIA are not, under any circumstances, to share intel.


this makes total sense P

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#127 - 2013-04-18 21:04:04 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Kirjava wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
All true, and yet a LOT of people not directly connected to the crimes died for things they had nothing to do with. Needless death is needless death. There were, even back then, alternative means for gutting the responsible parties.

Aye, that was part collateral damage, but there was systemic failures of understanding that lead to the issues...
Yup. Which is why I don't want anything happening that would cause us to wake up and stretch forth our club again. Cause we've got a BIG club, and it crushes more than just the people we mean to crush - and we don't frequently know exactly who to crush.

The UN is not really a good place to hide behind, when making justifications. An angry and determined USA can (and did) wag a VERY big dog - most especially the UN.


OTOH, we do have some very capable, very violent fellows available that if given good intelligence can really ruin some bad guys' days - without blowing up wedding parties in the process.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#128 - 2013-04-18 21:12:57 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
All true, and yet a LOT of people not directly connected to the crimes died for things they had nothing to do with. Needless death is needless death. There were, even back then, alternative means for gutting the responsible parties.

Aye, that was part collateral damage, but there was systemic failures of understanding that lead to the issues...
Yup. Which is why I don't want anything happening that would cause us to wake up and stretch forth our club again. Cause we
ve got a BIG club, and it crushes more than just the people we mean to crush - and we don't frequently know exactly who to crush.

The UN is not really a good place to hide behind, when making justifications. An angry and determined USA can (and did) wag a VERY big dog - most especially the UN.


OTOH, we do have some very capable, very violent fellows available that if given good intelligence can really ruin some bad guys' days - without blowing up wedding parties in the process.


I just want to be clear I am trying to look through the rationality and have put my own opinions to the side for this.

The drone strikes have to be reeled in on there could very well be a counter campaign against the US. Blowback and what not is real, the more the US pushes the more it should expect to be pushed back. 9/11 for instance was a counter to US domination of the Mid-East. The Arab nations have repeatedly attempted to deal with Israel and every time Israel is able to operate under US defense, yielding said Mid-East nations unable to deal with a problematic neighbor as equals.

I know many an Arab, many not even Islamic and it all comes back down to Israel. Easiest way for the US to protect its citizens within its borders would be to hold Israel to the account of the UN.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#129 - 2013-04-18 21:28:47 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Graygor wrote:
I'd rather not see the beast wake up.

Last time it awoke, two sovereign nations were toppled, and the hangover yet lingers on in the form of Hellfire missiles.
From inside teh beast, I too hope we are allowed to slumber on.


To be true, some people abroad are a bit startled that American policies lead to killing foreign children while American children are killed at their schools, all in the name of security.



We're just showing that we aren't biased when it comes to killing children.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#130 - 2013-04-18 21:51:48 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
All true, and yet a LOT of people not directly connected to the crimes died for things they had nothing to do with. Needless death is needless death. There were, even back then, alternative means for gutting the responsible parties.

Aye, that was part collateral damage, but there was systemic failures of understanding that lead to the issues...
Yup. Which is why I don't want anything happening that would cause us to wake up and stretch forth our club again. Cause we
ve got a BIG club, and it crushes more than just the people we mean to crush - and we don't frequently know exactly who to crush.

The UN is not really a good place to hide behind, when making justifications. An angry and determined USA can (and did) wag a VERY big dog - most especially the UN.


OTOH, we do have some very capable, very violent fellows available that if given good intelligence can really ruin some bad guys' days - without blowing up wedding parties in the process.


I just want to be clear I am trying to look through the rationality and have put my own opinions to the side for this.

The drone strikes have to be reeled in on there could very well be a counter campaign against the US. Blowback and what not is real, the more the US pushes the more it should expect to be pushed back. 9/11 for instance was a counter to US domination of the Mid-East. The Arab nations have repeatedly attempted to deal with Israel and every time Israel is able to operate under US defense, yielding said Mid-East nations unable to deal with a problematic neighbor as equals.

I know many an Arab, many not even Islamic and it all comes back down to Israel. Easiest way for the US to protect its citizens within its borders would be to hold Israel to the account of the UN.
The US will never hold Israel to account unti the various national, semi-national, and non-national forces opposing the existance of Israel concede Israel's right to exist and act on that concession.
Which they won't.
Impasse.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#131 - 2013-04-18 21:57:03 UTC
FBI has images of suspects (2):
http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston

The images are actually pretty good. FBI insists that no one save law enforcement should attempt to apprehend - inform and observe only.

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#132 - 2013-04-18 22:08:11 UTC
silens vesica wrote:

]The US will never hold Israel to account unti the various national, semi-national, and non-national forces opposing the existance of Israel concede Israel's right to exist and act on that concession.
Which they won't.
Impasse.
This is mainly because of the settlements in nominal Palestinian territory. I've heard stories first hand that were it not for the US supporting Israel would result in heavy UN sanctions. Even Israel doesn't take the US seriously when it asks for peace treaties and stopping building the settlements. This is a core issue in the Mid East, and has to be dealt with if we can realistically hope to work towards peace.

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2013-04-19 03:41:27 UTC
Gunshots reported around Stata Center in Boston. Boston Police, Massachusetts National Guard, ATF, and the FBI are all responding.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2013-04-19 03:44:56 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Gunshots reported around Stata Center in Boston. Boston Police, Massachusetts National Guard, ATF, and the FBI are all responding.


You hearing this over the radio or local news?

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#135 - 2013-04-19 03:46:38 UTC
Graygor wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
Gunshots reported around Stata Center in Boston. Boston Police, Massachusetts National Guard, ATF, and the FBI are all responding.


You hearing this over the radio or local news?


Radio. Stata Center is located on the MIT campus in Cambridge.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2013-04-19 03:48:01 UTC
Oh boy, here we go again then.

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Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2013-04-19 06:51:50 UTC
The shooting involved an MIT cop, who was unfortunately killed. Two suspects were believed to be involved: one is in custody, the second is considered heavily-armed and dangerous. Explosives were reportedly used in their chase with police, with one of the suspects crying, "Fire in the hole!" before the first detonation.

Massachusetts State Police, Massachusetts National Guard (infantry and military police companies), FBI, and ATF forces are all involved in the manhunt. These suspects are not believed to be the suspects sought in the Boston Marathon bombing on Monday.

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Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2013-04-19 07:02:00 UTC
Interesting, wonder if there is some kind of connection or just some students going postal.

This has been a hell of a week for Boston PD.

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Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2013-04-19 08:06:15 UTC
It sounds like one guy got ganked at a gate camp and one guy is currently being hot dropped.
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2013-04-19 08:36:12 UTC
This story just keeps getting stranger.

So apparently one of the people involved in MIT shooting was in the nude and was arrested by the police according to the TV.

Man.... this story keeps getting stranger by the minute.

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