EVE General Discussion

If they disband you win. Its really the only way to truly "beat" someone in this game. Make them quit the game or make their corp die.

So when you "win" everyone loses, including you.

Most of us made transition from carebear to pvp via desensitization. i.e. stuff happens->initial ouchie->ouchie wasnt so bad->I want to give others ouchies. My theory is that if fear of pvp is removed through desensitization, there will be fewer complaints; basically extending the newly implemented training mission that requires people to lose a ship and pod through organized community action....culminating in an updated carebear culture and expectation level in EvE that it is not a risk-free theme park

Population density wise there are far more people in hisec, with more probability of getting a blingy pinata kill (without a blob). Why do you rob banks? Because thats where the money is...

"... Allow me to give an example from one of my own wardecs, which I will then set into contrast with non-highsec combat. Last year, I went to war against a highsec mining corporation called Tri Star Productions. There was only one battle in the war, and it lasted approximately four minutes. This was the result: Three dead Mackinaws, a dead Orca, and all four pilots podded — each with expensive implants. The damage inflicted was more than 6 billion ISK, or 8 billion going by today's prices. All of it was done solo. One player, one character. What is the equivalent in nullsec PvP? In terms of ISK, this would be the like someone solo'ing several carriers simultaneously." [awesome article]

Additionally, existing carebear cries for nerfdom (and CCP's bending over to satisfy them) typically do not negatively impact nullsec play. (i.e. crimewatch, exhumer buff, increased wardec costs & unlimited allies, etc)

Define pvp

Not the point; point is they are changing the game from its foundational model of risk and HTFU , to a risk-free theme park by crying to CCP to constantly nerf hisec. In response, I am advocating DEC-AGEDDON as a way to desensitize them to their pvp fears, educate them and remove said whining and changes that are ultimately bad for the game and all of us in the long term.

Have you wardecced a carebear corp today? Go on, you know you want to...

There is a difference between being interested in PvP but lacking the skills to compete, versus being interested in industry, and lacking PvP skills. You don't get someone interested in PvP by imposing PvP upon them. If they're not interested in PvP and you keep imposing PvP on them, you will simply drive them from the game.

Your failure to correctly identify your original motives has led to an incorrect theory of the progress from new player into PvP maven.

EVE Online is more than just pew pew with spaceships. It is also about industry, commerce and politics. I know pew-pew-spaceships folks who intensely dislike the politics side of the game. I know players who happily engage in politics and industry but intensely dislike the pew pew side of the game.

Your failure to acknowledge the multifaceted nature of this virtual world has led to an incorrect theory on how to encourage more people to participate in the play style that you prefer.

Sometimes you need stick, more often than not you can get by with carrot.

Here is a list of possible outcomes when you wardec a carebear corp in hisec, pick the incorrect one:

1. They dock up
2. They stop logging in
3. They quit the game
4. They HTFU and learn to PvP by losing lots of ships at your caring hands

View the corpus of carebears as a collection from which to entice some PvP-curious pilots to join you in your antics. Rather than declaring war on them and blowing them up, invite them to join you in your escapades. Start off with minimal cost fleets such as T1 rifters, then as their confidence is built encourage them to ship up to destroyers and cruisers.

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

EvE didn't used to be about a honeyed hisec theme park, it used to be based on vinegar. And again, I am NOT trying to convince carebears to pew, I am just trying to shift the mindset to one of 'if I don't tank properly, or actively defend myself, I might die in hisec and thats NORMAL' -- not something to constantly beotch about and lobby against.

Who's with me? Have you decced a carebear corp today?

Sorry, it was my mistake to not recognise that you are a Jame 315 copycat.