Missions & Complexes

Right now if you want salvage your best bet is to scan down a mission runner instead of mag site.

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Ooh, I actually really like that idea. Make them properly rare, but make it so that people who do feel like doing Mag sites can find something nice now and then too.

Something we discussed a bit in channel was that:
* Combat sites drop deadspace and faction loot (as do belt rats, anomalies)
* Radar sites drop decryptors (unique to Radars), datacores and Data Interface raw materials
* Ladars drop reactors, BPCs and skillbooks (combat) or gas (mining) (all unique to Ladars)
* Magnetometric sites however, drop T2 rig BPCs, T2 salvage, and T1 salvage, which is available in vastly greater quantities from a stable source: missions.
Is simply buffing the drop rate and/or quantity of salvage going to help that much?

Ive run 2 mag sites in the last day, netted just over 400mill in total, with a breakdown of about 60-40 between the 2 sites. Seem perfectly fine to me.

Because 40-60M *2 = 400M ... right.

Thank you CCP for finally looking into really broken arc/sal sites.

I've done a lot of exploration in the past, and I can say that doing lvl4 missions in empire with stable income is about 5x more profitable than doing 0.0 arc/sal.

I've done about 20 to 30 arc/sal sites, out of them only 2 were jackpots, with 70 mil worth each, at the end of the day, the profit divded between them all was a complete joke. Compare to around 5 mil or so drop on avarage.

Right now, arc/sal in 0.0 is a waste of high and mid slot, simply said. If you're afraid to break rig market, just introduce other items to be had, I'm sure explorers would love it, such as faction tower mods BPC, and in rare instances POS, small, med and large.

A quick note of radar sites, interfaces for rig and modules invention take too long to manufacture, I have about 200+ runs worth of crap that would take ages to build with little profit to be had for the annoyances.

Another note, I've ran into systems with 10+ signatures many times, it tells me something is broken, if such system has 2-3 radars, their income combined usually equal 1 good radar site in another system. This means the more sites of same time is in a same system, looks like it's profit simply gets divided between them.

I'm talking about 0.0 exploration, with high risk - low reward should not be ever happening in professional sites.

your right, thats not a great sample size, however, that doesnt take into acount the hundreds of mag ites ive un over the past 2 years. Ive always found them profitable and worth running, radar however are terrible.

So after a long break of running arc/sals I ran one in null sec.

Drop I got is worth 8.4 mil. I think that's even low for high sec.
MIssion runner can make more with no risk.

ARC/SAL is completely broken.

Well, as exploration is my main profession, i certainly agree with the initial post about a demanded upgrade to Magnetometric sites. Gathering a bunch items with a value of a few thousand ISK is compared to the time invested not really worth it - even belt rat hunting in 0.9 system brings more income when calculating the ISK/min.

In fact it is always the one big fish you are after, that brings the 100 Million item or better. But those are never in magnetometric sites, but complexes. Leaving the finding of the one big fish to the pure luck to find it makes exploration less an issue of skills, but of pure luck. There is no difference between skill 3 overall and skill 5 overall beside the time invested to pin it which brings it broken down to a difference of less than 3 minutes and a minor chance to find something - which is random, and not stable.

I believe that each profession should have their own specific things or items , which only can be gained by this profession. Not only left in the very high end - referring to WHs and Sleepers - but also in the possibility to have some specific items in the beginning of the profession. Honestly, it is not about the income, but being part of a community, or market.

Compared to the very stable income of mission running exploration is very peaky with tremenmdous amounts of deep lows and far too few peaks on the positive side never weighing up the negatives. Agree, it is more challenging and exciting to explore since nothing will ever be the same, but for the amusement factor onlly? Missioning is while more easy and more profitable in the long term and delivering almost the same goods and items as exploring, but in higher numbers with less investment of time.

There for i think, the existence of some "exploration skill depending items" should be considered as necessary.

But honestly, there is few in Eve that is as exciting as exploration :)

Cheers