Skill Discussions

Hello folks, I have enough skills to fly the Abaddon, but I've been a bit underwhelmed with it's performance. I'm really disapointed as flying the baddon was my biggest goal. I'm just wondering now if training Amarr that whole time was a waste?

Am I just a poorly skilled noob? Or is the Baddon rubbish?
No trolls please, and if possible, could you share some badass PVE Baddon fits?

Once I started looking at the Caldari ships, I saw how epic they looked for missions :/

+1

Thanks for the quick reply, and yes, sadly the missiles look so much more effective! :(
Going to miss my Big Golden Sexy though lol

Think I'll be mining non stop till I can fly some decent Caldari fits.

You made the typical newbie mistake unfortunately. Both of them probably.

1. The Abaddon is not very friendly unless you have pretty good capacitor skills. Even with all level Vs, simply firing the guns is often enough to run you out of capacitor. The Abaddon is simply not a good choice for a mission ship, although it works quite nicely in PvP.

2. Without proper support skills a battleship is simply a very expensive wreck about to happen. You should not be flying a battleship without T2 drones and T2 tank as a bare minimum. IVs in capacitor and gunnery support skills are almost required as well.

This will be the same for Caldari ships as well, except you will have to completely re-train all your tanking skills, all your ship skills and all your weapons skills as well.

My recommendation is to stick with Amarr, and trade your Abaddon in for an Apocalypse. It is easier on the capacitor while firing guns, and it has a range bonus to help you out with low skills.

EDIT: I should also point out that Missiles are absolutely not better. They are easier, but in the long run, guns are simply better.

It's true. I too, trained for the epic beauty that is the Abaddon. (For me it was the lights) And I too still have my original Abaddon still sitting in a hanger somewhere.

Paikis hit it dead on, that for missions the Apoc is a better ship.
And for PvP, I like the Geddon. It is just a beast in every way.
IMO, you did not waste your time, but yes, there are better mission ships.

Baddon has a damage bonus and resist bonus.
Apoc has something like 15% more capacitor, 10%ish faster recharge, base.Then another 10% cap bonus and 37.5% Optimal range bonus. (7.5% per level)
Both ships have the same slot layout and both ships can fit 8 turrets.

imo the Baddon is better suited for tank, and the Apocs Optimal Range bonus lets it have more *applied* damage at range.

I am currently working on T2 medium pulse lasers for my Harbinger. After that going for an Abaddon is one of my options. I'd be having the listed minimum support skills, but I am not willing to sit in a battle ship with T1 lazors. I am still hesitent to what to actually aim for. I will probably first upgrade the Harbinger to an navy issue one with the oncoming patch and train some more fitting support skills to 5 like Engineering, Electronics, Weapon Upgrades (for Advanced) more capacitor skills. I even rolled in the idea for some 2-3% capacitor/energy grid implants, but decided against, since a few weeks worth of training for Advanced Weapon Upgrade and 2 more lvl 5 capacitor skills could do the same. I have personally not regret making the noobish choice for Amarr on character creation. After going over my EFT builds with a veteran corp mate I usually often notice that I usually just made wrong decisions in the planing. For example I had the idea for fit an Apocalypse with Aurora crystalls, but then he suggested me to drop the range and go for an Abaddon with Scorchs. Not only the fitting was much less tight (Tachyon Beam Laser II were totally out of question, are they even fittable without dropping a gun?), also the the tracking, dps, capacitor duration and eHP/s are obviously much better.

I really like lazors for their "direct damage applying" and that their ships are usually focused on the main weapons and not such stupid drone stuff. I'd rather fit 2 medium lazors or more tracking computer/target painter than having to fiddle around bothersome drones, just to "maximize your dps"... (note my liking for lazors and ignoring sentry drones).

So basicly... if you are unsatisfied with Amarr, you might be actually just flying the wrong ship/fitting or missing the essential skills to make it "proper". So in a way other races are just a little more "nooby friendly"... but considering the whole idea behind Amarr as the "superior race"... is really that bad? Patience pays off to Amarr imho..

Apoc is supposed to be fitted with pulses not tachs... it has a optimal range bonus for a reason. With all 5s apoc hits 62+10 with scorch using mega pulses and that's before any tracking enhancers/computers. It can also be cap stable unlike the abaddon so if you were looking for a pve ship the abaddon shouldn't be that high on your list.

Also if you ignore the drones and you attempt to PvE in your battleship: you will regret it. Lasers have the worst tracking of all turrets in game and one elite frigate with a point is enough to ruin your day if you don't at least have a flight of tech 2 lights in yuor drone bay.

Sentries also add siginificant damage to all amarr battleships as they all have at least 75 bandwidth and the geddon actually can field a full flight of 5.

Amarr is in fact the other drone race in this game and if you want to ignore them you're not going to get the full benefit out of most of their ships.