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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#41 - 2013-04-17 01:07:23 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
The amount of limitation that can be put on it is pretty large. It does not have to be as strong as you quite nicely illustrate it in this post.


So long as you can fit more than one and the first boost is enough to make ganking unprofitable, the same effect occurs because you can't tell who you initiate the module on first after the fact.

And the most important objection remains: There is already a ship line designed for use by people who want extra EHP to whether/discourage ganking. The Procurer/Skiff.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-04-17 03:02:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
nope get owned some more by people who actually play the game

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-04-17 03:19:01 UTC
i mean goddamn you AFK mine in an untanked exhumer (a ship not meant to be in combat) which still has more EHP than an unfit hictor (a ship meant to be in combat) because CCP realized that difficult choices like yield vs. tank are not acceptable for hisec miners, because hisec miners are special snowflakes who cannot be expected to put a single iota of thought into their gameplay

expecting them to put an iota of thought into their gameplay is unacceptable and they will throw tantrums and unsub because nobody else in the game is expected to make decisions like "DPS vs tank" or "DPS vs speed" or "tank vs utility" - forcing the miners to make such calls is unacceptable as mining must be bot-friendly and mindless gameplay

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-04-17 04:14:29 UTC
Shhh.. Nobody tell him about the exhumer nerf yet.. lol

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-04-17 04:36:25 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
Shhh.. Nobody tell him about the exhumer nerf yet.. lol


A change that affects 41 other ships is not an "exhumer nerf" it's a "nerf to resistance bonuses"

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Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#46 - 2013-04-17 08:05:21 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Mocam wrote:
Closest I've come to an actual deal like this was an armor rig/module that would ping back 1hp damage to the hitting ship.


You mean like drones can if you're ATK?

Why else do Exhumers and Barges have silly high scan res? (Unfit Hulk locks a Destroyer in under 2s.)

Hey, a TD, some ECM, or ECM drones will all get you on their killmails, and could even prevent the gank from succeeding.




But then how will I use minning drones? I want to have kills + take maximum amount of space rock
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#47 - 2013-04-17 08:07:55 UTC
Joan Greywind wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Mocam wrote:
Closest I've come to an actual deal like this was an armor rig/module that would ping back 1hp damage to the hitting ship.


You mean like drones can if you're ATK?

Why else do Exhumers and Barges have silly high scan res? (Unfit Hulk locks a Destroyer in under 2s.)

Hey, a TD, some ECM, or ECM drones will all get you on their killmails, and could even prevent the gank from succeeding.




But then how will I use minning drones? I want to have kills + take maximum amount of space rock


I know it's a joke, but...

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Dave Stark
#48 - 2013-04-17 08:13:08 UTC
Andski wrote:
i mean goddamn you AFK mine in an untanked exhumer (a ship not meant to be in combat) which still has more EHP than an unfit hictor (a ship meant to be in combat) because CCP realized that difficult choices like yield vs. tank are not acceptable for hisec miners, because hisec miners are special snowflakes who cannot be expected to put a single iota of thought into their gameplay

expecting them to put an iota of thought into their gameplay is unacceptable and they will throw tantrums and unsub because nobody else in the game is expected to make decisions like "DPS vs tank" or "DPS vs speed" or "tank vs utility" - forcing the miners to make such calls is unacceptable as mining must be bot-friendly and mindless gameplay


you just pointed out a bunch of "pick 2 of the 3" scenarios.
miners don't have 3 things to pick from. they have tank, and they have yield. in your "pick 2 of the 3" logic, having tank AND yield is perfectly acceptable. two were picked.
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#49 - 2013-04-17 10:45:50 UTC
Relocated to the relevant forum.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#50 - 2013-04-17 11:41:00 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
so like a remote shield extender?

why not just fit a shield extender (or other tank modules) locally?

or would that interfere with the max-yield fit ...


no, because shield modules go in mids and yield module go in lows.


both use PG and CPU though ... Blink

Though, I think 3% or 5% implants would be enough to fit some tank plus max yield.


As to your other comment about "pick 2 of 3" scenarios, the person you quotes was only comparing two aspects (DPS/Tank or speed/tank or tank/utility). None of these were "pick two of three". However, I will agree that many times they are parts of a "2 out of 3" comparison.

With that said, one "can" fit utility (neut/nos) or webs/points to a barge (other things too), so the statement that miners don't have a choice in their fitting is as true as saying missioners don't have a choice. They most certainly do, but they choose the "best yield" or "best for these rats" fittings, and end up leaving gaping holes in their defenses. Granted, a mining barge is "non-combat", and gaping holes in its defenses are to be expected -- thought they can be patched up (rigs) and mitigated (shield ganglinks, logi) with some teamwork.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-04-17 15:30:56 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
you just pointed out a bunch of "pick 2 of the 3" scenarios.
miners don't have 3 things to pick from. they have tank, and they have yield. in your "pick 2 of the 3" logic, having tank AND yield is perfectly acceptable. two were picked.


If you maximize tank, your yield is going to be significantly reduced, if you maximize yield, your tank is going to be significantly reduced, simply because you cannot fit both. Same thing with DPS vs tank, DPS vs speed, speed vs tank, and so on.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#52 - 2013-04-19 01:29:21 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Dave Stark wrote:
you just pointed out a bunch of "pick 2 of the 3" scenarios.
miners don't have 3 things to pick from. they have tank, and they have yield. in your "pick 2 of the 3" logic, having tank AND yield is perfectly acceptable. two were picked.


Sure they do. Tank, Yield, and Ore capacity.

Because of the way the barge buff was implemented, some pairings aren't super possible, but most are. An the better quote is "3 options, pick 2 to be good at, or pick 1 to be great at"

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