Player Features and Ideas Discussion

To engage the "Ultimate Anti-Gank Module", place both hands over your ears, close eyes and repeat after me: "La la la la la... I can't see you.... "

Alpha is really expensive. To kill a RRed, Tanked Mack, you need about 4 Tornados working together perfectly (or a rep cycle might land in between the volleys landing). That's around 300m ISK they're pissing away just to kill you. Without RR, in .7 and below, you can do it with 2 Nados because they get a second shot. That's still around 150m

The numbers are worse with a Retriever. 2 to gank in the face of RR, and 1 without RR. In both cases, the cost is far more than the value of the ganked ship, let alone trying to make a profit.


Your defense against alpha is to be alert and don't **** off someone so much that they're willing to shell out hundreds of millions of ISK to inconvenience you. In other words, while they can bring more ships, just like they can gank a Freighter for ~10m ISK with ~150 Velators, they're not likely to.

Drones aren't so easy and don't always work well with ECM - this I'm fairly certain you are aware of.

Example: Drones on an interceptor that tackles you, in comes gang that ECM jams you, you recall your drones being as that interceptor handed off the tackle to a heavy tackler and headed off for a tour of the system - your drones in tow. Being as you are ECM jammed, you cannot send them out to attack anything else, they'll just orbit you until you do target another ship and then send them to attack - even if they are set on "aggressive", that is canceled the first time you recall them. If you don't recall them, they'll happily chase that interceptor.

Also drones aren't carried by many classes of ships - namely industrials and the like, which are favored gank targets. These ships also tend to have longer lock times than the ships attacking them and this also doesn't work so well when you come out of warp at a gate with them in your drone bay.

There is a barge called the "Procurer"
and an Exhumer the "Skiff"

You want more EHP? Undock in one of those and you won't need any half-baked counter-measures.

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Back to the topic - true. My bad there. General stuff I tossed on from reading your ECM type statements.

As you say only mining barges and exhumers who are currently mining and have the drones out.

ECM drones are silly in this situation being as you'll be popping rats and recall + launch new doesn't work well while being ganked, now does it? Also drones can take a bit to switch targets if they are busy with rats at a given time and if on aggressive, it's already set to work this way - and doesn't do much now does it?

Transports have no other methods of effect unless you are going with T2 transports vs indy style haulers. Not even close and T2 transports are fairly uncommon compared to T1 haulers and not that popular a gank target due to their abilities.

I have a blockade runner and it's agility & cloak puts it a tad better than my Arazu for align times & cloak use - no it doesn't get ganked even when I pack a couple billion worth of cargo in it - but it's also a fairly expensive hull and a "specialized" style of training that vets can take advantage of - but that excludes a large portion of the community without gutting their training plans.

Beside the shield transfer and the warfare link you listed, teh 3 toher are all AFK enabling solution to ganking. The extender is 100% active while AFK, the DCU II is 99,9% AFK because you have to click it once then it will keep cycling. The extremely low cap requirement means it will not remove cap stability from your barge. The warfare link for shield resist only require another AFK account offgrind boosting.

His request is like a shild extender with the fitting requirement of "have a friend with battleship I on grid". If the guy want to sacrifice an account just to tank ONE ship, I think it's a fair tradeoff. Just make the cycle time high so it's not efficient to change your boost target and even add some kind of spoolup time so you cannot just wait for the target to be attacked and then reinforce that tharget. You get a lesser solution in multi ship use but easyer to manage for a single ship protection.

And by "next to you" you mean 90 KM away.

Oh, FFS...

Use a procurer, that's what it's there for.

Frankly, they should roll back the barge changes strictly as a punitive measure against morons who received an inch and are now asking for a mile.

Not one account per ship. Nowhere did he say anything about limiting the number of these modules you could fit a Rokh with nothing but PDUs and LSEIIs and have 58.8k Shield HP to work with.

8 targets get some shield HP (thus EHP).
1 gets 14.7k => ~60k EHP added
2 gets 11.025
3 gets 8.2k
4 gets 6.2k
5 gets 4.6k
6 gets 3.4k
7 gets 2.6k
8 gets 1.96k => ~10k EHP added

For reference, a resist fit 3 MLU Mackinaw makes 15k EHP out of 3.75k HP with 3 MLU IIs, so at worst, you're just about doubling the EHP of 7 Mackinaws with 1 AFK ship in a way that's effective against both the expensive Alpha ganks and the cheaper DPS ganks.

More likely, you're protecting 8 targets because a ganker can't tell which one you activated the module on first. All completely AFK.

Most importantly, this would put the final nail in the coffin for the usefulness of the Procurer/Skiff, which are the ships designed to protect you from suicide ganking through high EHP.

If you want high EHP in a mining vessel, the Procurer/Skiff are the ships for you.

Sure they do. And they'll show up in time to watch your rapidly-cooling corpse finish out-gassing.