EVE General Discussion

Sit a couple of cloaked bombers by some likely gank targets. No targeting delay means you can start torping the gankers as soon as they start shooting (or land on grid). The only reason the gankers don't have to account for unknowns is that the "white knights" are lazy. Why in the world not? In what other part of the game do you get automatically bridged to targets that are absolutely prevented from escaping, who will momentarily be subject to overwhelming EWAR provided by NPCs, and will be destroyed in short order regardless of player actions? You're asking for CONCORD to automatically warp you to gank sites for the sole purpose of KM whoring. If you want to whore on ganker killmails, hang around in belts. If you want to actually be helpful, hang around in belts in an AC Tornado near miners or an Arty Nado if you want to cover more ground.





1. So, you're going to be paying CONCORD for fuel as well? Ok. Give me an Ibis and I'll just drain your wallets before heading out for my night of ganking.
1a. So you're not going to be doing anything for ganks occuring in higher security bands. Ok.
2. Your whole premise was that these "White Knights" would be doing something useful. Whoring on killmails when CONCORD is already on scene is not useful.
3. And you'll be showing up after that's decided, so....
4. See 3.
5. So what're you risking to "help" the miners? Clearly you see these killmails as a reward. What are you willing to risk?
6. So sit in belts and countergank. Sit on popular HS gates and Countergank. You say you want protection to come from people willing to spend time providing it? The mechanics already exist to allow you to do that. Hop to.

How in the world does this have anything to do with Local? Faction Police have nothing to do with responding to criminal actions.

How about we "balance" this suggestion of yours with the elimination of the CONCORD cruisers? CONCORD will still kill you some 10s after they land, but you'll be free to do things until then, unless players happen to arrive on scene to actually be useful.

You win Ruby! Its a terrible idea and my threditing are just not up to the task. No concord law enforcement skill books!

Man I could really use this one, I get lost all the time

The problem with this is that someone with an Arazu would get a huge boost on the Point, at the moment the ship gives a 20%/level boost. That would then give a fully skilled Recon pilot about a 56KM range on the T2 point.

Use a faction (Republic Fleet/Domination) 30KM point and its going to be close on 72KM.

Thats a hell of a range for a point. Consider also the Other recon pilots could start to feel a little inadequat, especally the huggin pilots, who would have a range of about 40-50KM on thier webs,

Trolling - +1 font size in chat box per level

together with

Scamming - +5% more isk in successful scams (in Scamville)

Real Incentive: Each level provides an actual incentive to leave highsec.

Prerequisite: Procrastination Defence to level 4


(Sorry, CCP, not seeing anything of interest out there...)

Your endless ability to treat a vague idea as something specific and well defined is astounding. You started by assuming that regular warp mechanics would have to be used and now your here assuming that the bridge point has to be an open rally when it could just as easily be done from station dock.

I think the core of your "argument" is actually that you don't like this idea because you see it as another nerf to gankers. I don't know why you just can't say that rather than make up all these none existent problems. I saw 2 cats take down a Mackinaw a few weeks ago, and the numbers on freighter ganking havn't changed much at all. Ganking is alive and well.



This has been a great thread with a lot of interesting ideas and thoughts. It's not a serious discussion about game balance or future planning, just talk about ideas that come to mind while playing.

Your portrait looked better before the eye piece.

Sure, I assumed warp. Because there is no current HS-applicable mechanic that allows you to ignore warp time.

I assume a bridge point in space because you said "Titan" and "Cyno."

So now you're adding the only mechanic in the game (short of CCP's dev tools that they break out for the AT) that moves you from a station to somewhere else in space because "oh gosh, the gankers might be able to adapt to my new nerf to ganking, and we can't have that."



I know "it's a nerf to ganking" is not a persuasive argument to people who propose things like this. So I try not to use it.

If you want to talk about hiding intentions, you initially tried to hide the fact that you were aiming for a straight nerf to ganking, claiming that you just wanted to create "variables and opportunity for interaction that did not exist before."

The number of ganks happening has dropped precipitously since last summer (and is down since before HAG). Ganking has gotten well over a dozen nerfs in the past few years. Gankers have adapted, but the nerfs have had a very noticeable effect. When is enough enough?

The funny thing is that appeasing people who want to see ganking nerfed simply results more whining. As ganking gets rarer, each gank is a bigger shock because the illusion of safety has more time to set before it's shattered, and the more set the illusion, the bigger the reaction when it's broken.

I like a skill that would enable me to look out of a station window.

ATM its just the biggest damned prison eva, me wanty some ruddy windows!

Can you imagine eating in a restaurant by the hull, in a station near the sun and not have a window to enjoy gazing out from while eating?! Apparently not. Not a single window in the whole damned place!

Frag skillbook.

The ability to shoot blues without it showing up on the kill mail. Each level adds a round of fire that is undetected.