EVE General Discussion

Unless they were using missiles or drones (both utterly horrid ganking weapons, which would require you to be horribly fitted to die to them), they most certainly did not do only thermal damage.

So yeah, no.

that may be true but still off topic. The fact that i may or may not survive based on wether or not i have top of the line maxed tank on my 50m retriever to die to a 8m catalyst is not fair i dont care what anyone says its just too big a spread for it to be fair

wait, who said this game had to be fair?

If I lose my 2.5 billion isk pod to a 2 million isk slasher is that unfair?

The cost of something has no bearing on how survivable it should be under conditions it's not intended for. Industrial ships are just that, industrial ships, combat ships beat them at combat, typically very quickly.

However, if you desperately need more tank why don't you just fly one of the mining ships designed to withstand much greater punishment?

Oh that's right you don't actually want to take any action yourself, you want CCP to spoon feed you everything.

…and while we're at it, fun fact: a T1 frigate can kill a Titan in roughly 3½ hours.

wow its almost pointless to even post things because i seem to constantly have to be re posting things i already said becasue people joinin the conv way late after not knowing all the facts.

im talking about the fact that there is nothing you can do to protect say a retriver from a ganker no matter how much tank you put on it.

the only answer is to simply fly a better higher skill ship such as a mackinaw. all this talk about tank is just bull . Because it simply doesnt stop the ganking you people act as though all miners put max yeild builds on then complain when they get ganked but that is simply un true. Even if you tank up a retriever i still dies no matter what you do it dies. Even a tanked mackinaw can die to only 2 or 3 catalysts.

My complaint is that ganking is so out of control that people make accounts just to destroy other people because the cost to do so is worthless. My point is that maybe if it didnt cost a worthless amount of money to blow up miners flying stuff that is so outragiously more expensive the game would be more friendly to people that dont have the skills to fly a mackinaw or the 150-200 million to buy one. Not everyone can just grab the best tech 2 gear and ships for every situation and fly them. Not everyone can afford to lose 200m in ship and equipment just cause 2 people feel like wasting a worthless 20 mill between the 2 of them.

I dont think thats fair i think if your rational you would not think its fair either. If a mining ship is gunna cost 50 mill i t should have some basic ability to resist the bull crap that is going on in high sec. Im not talking about null sec or other ships im talking about High sec its freaking ******** unless your an already established player you cant do anything to defend your self agianst it and that is stupid to me

The problem is that "Can this be ganked" is not the appropriate question. The appropriate question is "Can this be ganked profitably." And there are plenty of Retriever fits that are unprofitable to gank.

You can also use a Procurer which is unprofitable to gank with virtually any fit.

Or, you can use any number of tactics to stay alive that happen to require being at the keyboard and alert but don't rely on tank.(Bonus: these also protect you from unprofitable ganks)


Saying "This is bad because my AFK ship can be ganked" is ridiculous. Any ship can be ganked, no matter the fitting. That's the inevitable result of illegal agression being possible. The balance issue is what ships with what fittings should be profitable to gank.
I happen to think that most fitted, untanked ships should be profitable to gank, and guess what. Most are.

I mine, there is nothing wrong with the ganking that goes on. Can mining be any more of a snooze fest if ganking wasn't allowed? Being pester by 'skeaders just makes my day. I mine in two accounts in hulks, no armour, no insurance, jet canning in a bridge system surrounded by low sec. (not a bitter vet)

I couldn't care less about gankers ganking miners in hisec, doesn't bother me, but one must pose the question, if someone is so intent on killing people, why not just move to low/null?

inb4 James315 bullshit.

Say what you want about James... but he's right about one thing; you don't rob banks where there are no banks. Likewise, you don't look for targets where targets are hard to come by... you find them where they are concentrated in (i.e. high-sec).

It's not the ganker's fault that people don't use the tools and mechanics already in the game to their advantage.