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Thorleifer

Yeti Cave

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#81 - 2013-04-14 17:13:19 UTC | Edited by: Thorleifer

Benny Ohu wrote:

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

Fit a tank, possibly drop a MLU and replace it with a damage control, a shield booster is not a tank, shield extenders or resists are what you need, rig for EHP if you can, core defence field extenders would be my choice, and a resist rig if you need it to fill a hole. Downside you may sacrifice a small % of yield, upside you probably won't be replacing your mackinaw or hulk next week because of it

[Mackinaw, Tank]
Internal Force Field Array I
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Shield Extender II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

engineering, shield upgrades, mining upgrades IV; electronics V
35-40k ehp average 38-44 vs antimatter

you could drop the thermic amp for a scanner if you really wanted to i suppose

[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Micro B66 Core Augmentation
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

shield upgrades IV; electronics, engineering V
27-30k ehp average 27-29 vs antimatter

do i win something

My alt's mack fit is similiar except I have 2 of those invuln II's and a scanner. same rigs too but I have to make up yield with 5 mining drone II's or I get outmined.

Vyanr

SKORPION LEGION

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#82 - 2013-04-14 17:16:50 UTC

Dave Stark wrote:

Vyanr wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Vyanr wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

define "fit it right" please.

if you dare say "damage control II" at any point, i am going to reach through my screen and slap you for gross stupidity.

a DCII is a valid form of tanking. Your ignorance of PVP warfare is stiflingly repulsive. you cannot logically discount 60% instant, minuet power draw resistance bonuses as a stupid object.

your ignorance of the very fact that fitting a DCU II makes a 150m exhumer inferior to it's t1 counterpart at it's primary purpose is stiflingly repulsive.

you cannot logically sit and argue for a ship to be used it must be inferior to it's cheaper tech one counterpart.

I'm sorry that you don't care about your 150m isk, T2 ship enough to protect it. It seems to me that your loss of matériel is a valid effect from your lack of respect.

Have fun replacing them.

it's not that i don't care, it simply isn't economical to do so.
a ship should never be made inferior to it's t1 counterpart by fitting a tank. as far as i'm aware nowhere else in the game does this happen except maybe with amour tanked DSTs.

I dunno, constantly replacing 150m isk ships +fittings verses 35m isk ships + fittings for about the same mining output per/hr is pretty obvious which one I would care more about protecting.

But it's cool if you don't want to protect your assets, it just means you can't really whine about it when you lose it, because you didn't bother to protect it.

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Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards Likes received: 28,489	#83 - 2013-04-14 17:17:18 UTC Benny Ohu gets it, you have to get a good balance between efficiency and survivability. In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack

Dave Stark

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#84 - 2013-04-14 17:19:32 UTC

Vyanr wrote:

if they provide the same mining output per hour, why would you buy a 150m isk ship to begin with? hence, my point.

i didn't say i didn't want to protect my assets; i just pointed out a damage control isn't the way to do that unless you want a 200m isk pinata that's inferior at it's intended purpose than it's t1 counterpart.

Ranger 1

Ranger Corp

Vae. Victis.

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#85 - 2013-04-14 17:19:46 UTC

Dave Stark wrote:

flakeys wrote:

Gallamoth Sickle wrote:

Why does CCP seem to have buffed destroyers creating a situation that favors the ganker and leaves the ganked almost completely defensless?

.

Uhm , yeah the barge buff was only a few percent extra tank .... Shocked

which is now being removed \o/

No, Dave, it's not. You're losing at most 5% of your resistance bonus. That's hardly taking your huge buff away. Smile

But you knew that...

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Dave Stark

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#86 - 2013-04-14 17:22:57 UTC

Ranger 1 wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

flakeys wrote:

Gallamoth Sickle wrote:

Why does CCP seem to have buffed destroyers creating a situation that favors the ganker and leaves the ganked almost completely defensless?

.

Uhm , yeah the barge buff was only a few percent extra tank .... Shocked

which is now being removed \o/

No, Dave, it's not. You're losing at most 5% of your resistance bonus. That's hardly taking your huge buff away. Smile

But you knew that...

but i read it on evenews24, it must be true.

all in all though, the only ship the resistance changes will hurt is the hulk. *shrug*


Thorleifer Yeti Cave Likes received: 19	#87 - 2013-04-14 17:23:02 UTC solve all your problems, fly a skiff, tank that pig, have a 15k m3 ore hold and be happy.


Dave Stark Likes received: 7,950	#88 - 2013-04-14 17:28:39 UTC Thorleifer wrote: solve all your problems, fly a skiff, tank that pig, have a 15k m3 ore hold and be happy. i'm almost certain there's a reason why the skiff and procurer combined mine less than 10% of all the non-mercoxit ore mined in the game. oh yeah, it's because they suck.

Benny Ohu

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

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#89 - 2013-04-14 17:31:17 UTC

i'm trying to fit a retriever in EFT

when fitted with an adaptive invuln II i don't need a MAPC in the lows so it mines the same as the Mack. the disadvantage is the retriever will have to stagger the strip miner activations. with an MSE2 it'll mine less than the mack but doesn't worry about capacitor

in both cases the flight of mining drones on the mack takes its yield way above the retriever. the mack's EHP is higher and there's a bigger ore bay

about 18-20k EHP on the retriever fit

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Abrazzar Vardaugas Family Likes received: 6,225	#90 - 2013-04-14 17:35:42 UTC So, what's the difference in yield between a full yield Retriever and a max tank Mackinaw? Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics

Dave Stark

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#91 - 2013-04-14 17:35:52 UTC

Benny Ohu wrote:

both ships can fit mining drones.
also a retriever will never mine the same as a mac at max skills, one will always mine more than the other.

Dave Stark

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#92 - 2013-04-14 17:37:09 UTC | Edited by: Dave Stark

Abrazzar wrote:

So, what's the difference in yield between a full yield Retriever and a max tank Mackinaw?

retriever mines 23.3% more than the mackinaw.

simple fact is t1 mining barges are too close to their t2 counterparts. if you could sacrifice yield for tank on an exhumer, and not have it's yield dwarfed by that of it's t1 counterpart i wouldn't even entertain this discussion.


Benny Ohu Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire Likes received: 4,565	#93 - 2013-04-14 17:39:09 UTC i wouldn't take out the retriever or the mack without combat drones is why i didn't count them. if you took the mining drones, the retriever would mine about the same as the mack, but without the ore bay, the extra EHP or the hobgobs the mack can carry in addition

Vyanr

SKORPION LEGION

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#94 - 2013-04-14 17:40:13 UTC | Edited by: Vyanr

Benny Ohu wrote:

[Mackinaw, Tank]
(tanking fit)

MLU II / Ice buff
DCII
Co-processor I (or II)

AIF II x 2
Medium Ancillary Shield booster

x2 Modulated Strip/Ice Miner IIs

x2 Medium CDFE Is

33.6k EHP, ~260 active DPS tank against AM.

more than long enough to survive long enough for Concord support.

You don't really need a scanner for a mining barge. you just vacuum up all the rocks anyway.

Dave Stark

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#95 - 2013-04-14 17:41:34 UTC

Benny Ohu wrote:

i wouldn't take out the retriever or the mack without combat drones is why i didn't count them. if you took the mining drones, the retriever would mine about the same as the mack, but without the ore bay, the extra EHP or the hobgobs the mack can carry in addition

you can, a retriever has sufficient tank to tank 0.7 belt rats until full [unsure if that holds true in 0.5, though]. in addition belt rats will always target an orca first if one is present.

Benny Ohu

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

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#96 - 2013-04-14 17:44:22 UTC | Edited by: Benny Ohu

Abrazzar wrote:

So, what's the difference in yield between a full yield Retriever and a max tank Mackinaw?

about 120 yield per minute (no implants/boosts) in favour of the retriever vs. my mack fit, but that requires mining drones and without tank or hobgobs you might die to belt rats :(

i'm no ~fitting expert~ mind

Quote:

you can, a retriever has sufficient tank to tank 0.7 belt rats until full [unsure if that holds true in 0.5, though]. in addition belt rats will always target an orca first if one is present.

i didn't know that, but i'd take the hobgobs as preference anyway

Dave Stark

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#97 - 2013-04-14 17:46:14 UTC

Benny Ohu wrote:

Abrazzar wrote:

So, what's the difference in yield between a full yield Retriever and a max tank Mackinaw?

try 241m3 per min.
although we are talking 0 mlu mack vs 3mlu ret.

Thorleifer

Yeti Cave

Likes received: 19

#98 - 2013-04-14 17:47:02 UTC

Dave Stark wrote:

Abrazzar wrote:

So, what's the difference in yield between a full yield Retriever and a max tank Mackinaw?

I would be interested to see what fits you are comparing that show the yield that different. My alt has both those ships and with a good tank and yield the difference is more around 10% if that. Now if we go solo mining with no Orca the Mack out mines the retriever on sheer ore hold size since it does not need so many trips to station to dump (unless you are dumb enough to jetcan mine). The Mack can also take 5 t2 combat drones and 5 mining 2 drones so it can fend off any rats with ease.

Dave Stark

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#99 - 2013-04-14 17:49:20 UTC

Thorleifer wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

Abrazzar wrote:

So, what's the difference in yield between a full yield Retriever and a max tank Mackinaw?

0 mlu mackinaw, vs 3 mlu retriever.
i was asked for max tanked mackinaw (as in, every slot for tank) vs a full yield ret. so a ret with 3 mlus.

Benny Ohu

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

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#100 - 2013-04-14 17:49:48 UTC | Edited by: Benny Ohu

Dave Stark wrote:

Benny Ohu wrote:

Abrazzar wrote:

So, what's the difference in yield between a full yield Retriever and a max tank Mackinaw?

try 241m3 per min.
although we are talking 0 mlu mack vs 3mlu ret.

nah i had room for an MLU2 on the tanked mack. i'm looking at all V characters with the t1 veld crystals in the lasers, both ships with drones

e: mining drones*

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