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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-04-14 11:44:37 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Andski wrote:
eve isn't fair, deal with it


So you no longer want production facilities in null to be as good as, or better than those in hi-sec, as 'eve isn't fair, deal with it'?


go pound sand while your exhumers get popped

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#42 - 2013-04-14 11:48:30 UTC
Gallamoth Sickle wrote:
I get that no where in EVE is it truely safe and all that crap bla bla bla

but can someone explain to me how/when eve became a gankers paradise in high sec? I mean how is ok for someone to fly a ship worth a total of maybe 8-10 million take out somoene flying a ship worth 50m? I have read posts about people losing their orcas to ganks in high sec by several people all combined maybe flying ships that total 80-100 million (8-10 ships) or even less taking out a ship worth well over 1 bill full fitted? WTF?!?!

So i mean what defense is there? when orcas are dropped by a few well organized pilots flying cheap ships? I guess you could tank up your mackinaw but it only means what.... the ganker gets 2 of his friends to take out your 200mil ship by risking 10 mill a pilot?

I am all for ganks in high sec but the the cost to gank somoene is pennies on the dollar compared to what the ganked loses its just not fair at all.

This game just seems to be going down the toilet rapidly in the latest years. New players dont stand a chance agianst the EVE lifers that run multiple accounts and throw 10's of millions away on catalyst losses just to destroy people.

Let me say agian im not trying to complain about getting ganked rather i guess im complaining at the huge unfair cost diff of ships.

Why does CCP seem to have buffed destroyers creating a situation that favors the ganker and leaves the ganked almost completely defensless?

Even aligning to gate, mining in .7 and above, being at the computer, D-scanning constantly you still run a better chance of dieing than not if you find your self chosen by a ganker.

I know many trolls are gunna just tear this post a new one with the "eve isnt supposed be safe crap" but the fact that people create accounts just to gank ships with tech I ships that cost 5-10 times less then what it costs the person getting ganked. doesnt seem fair to me at all. and I feel it has caused many players to leave and will continue to do so.


"gankers paradise"? Uh maybe you need a reality check mate, because ganking is literally at an all time low thanks to the nerfs it's got over the last year or so
Lady Areola Fappington
#43 - 2013-04-14 11:49:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Areola Fappington
A thread I can be useful in, finally!

I'm a hardcore miner on an alt. We're talking, fly a makinaw, mining skills to 5, refinery skills to five, the whole nine yards. I also gank. Here is the ultimate solo guide to avoiding ganking in highspace.

Land on belt. Evaluate mineral that run across 28 meter wide "corridors" across the belt. Typically, you'll find yourself three lines, one up each arm of the belt, then one across the base (belts are "U" shaped). From those three straight lines, from off-grid bookmarks at the end of each line.

Now, for the complex part, miners! Form a second set of warp-ins on those lines, 12 kilometers from the beginning and end of that line you drew. Start mining at that warp-in, and slowboat across that line to your warp-out point. Stop, relock, and recycle onto new roids as they drop out of range. When you reach the end of the line, turn around and head back if it's safe. If not, warp out. continue watching Dscan.

Included is a crudely drawn MSpaint to show how.

crudely drawn MSpaint.

Since you're going at +75% speed for the vast majority of your runs, you will warp out instantly the second gankers hit grid. This is, if you are ATK.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Harbonah
Short Bus Window Licker
#44 - 2013-04-14 11:50:24 UTC
I was going to offer to help the OP. Until I realized he had a CSP fee in the hundreds of millions of Isk for private communications. I find that morally offensive. *shrug*. I guess he doesn't want to socialize with people.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#45 - 2013-04-14 11:58:01 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Now, for the complex part, miners!


uh, yeah, very. I mean, well done for figuring this out but there are much easier and AFK friendly solutions.

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Dave Stark
#46 - 2013-04-14 11:58:24 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Now, for the complex part, miners!


uh, yeah, very. I mean, well done for figuring this out but there are much easier and AFK friendly solutions.


we call it; the retriever.
Lady Areola Fappington
#47 - 2013-04-14 12:05:06 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Now, for the complex part, miners!


uh, yeah, very. I mean, well done for figuring this out but there are much easier and AFK friendly solutions.


we call it; the retriever.


We call those targets!

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Dave Stark
#48 - 2013-04-14 12:13:42 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Now, for the complex part, miners!


uh, yeah, very. I mean, well done for figuring this out but there are much easier and AFK friendly solutions.


we call it; the retriever.


We call those targets!


you guys actually undock and do stuff?
i thought you all spent your time docked in station fondling each other?
Lady Areola Fappington
#49 - 2013-04-14 12:20:34 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:

you guys actually undock and do stuff?
i thought you all spent your time docked in station fondling each other?



Tell me more, I'm getting all hot and bothered here...

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Dave Stark
#50 - 2013-04-14 12:22:18 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

you guys actually undock and do stuff?
i thought you all spent your time docked in station fondling each other?



Tell me more, I'm getting all hot and bothered here...


no, i naturally assumed that's what you guys did since like... well... i don't know, i just assumed it was. *shrug*
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#51 - 2013-04-14 12:24:07 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Now, for the complex part, miners!


uh, yeah, very. I mean, well done for figuring this out but there are much easier and AFK friendly solutions.


we call it; the retriever.


that is one yes. the other is not huddling up tot he other targets.

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Thorleifer
Yeti Cave
#52 - 2013-04-14 12:47:57 UTC
Ya this thread delivers.

If you want to mine in highsec get a skiff and tank the crap out of it. Even a Mack can have EHP of over 30k. If you make yourself more costly to gank than it takes to gank you then you won't be ganked. Tank your ship up and stop AFK mining and undoubtable you are alot less likely to get ganked.

That means D-SCAN and pay attention to local. I have no sympathy for anyone who AFK mines and fits no tank on his barge, they deserve to be ganked. CCP can't fix stupid and you guys are asking them to do just that.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#53 - 2013-04-14 13:00:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelique Duchemin
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
what i found is that gankers shifted to ship scanning more after the changes and use multiple alts if required. Tanking may help if other players in system are untanked but if they want to get you they will because gankers aren't necessarily rational (in the sense that they're calculating profit). I've had a close call in a fairly well tanked Mackinaw versus two catalysts so while the tank obviously saved me it was no deterrent and I only survived because of the ganker's miscalculation (he tried to warp his third alt in but CONCORD popped him on arrival)


Eh... High sec miners story of heroic survival in the face of adversity...


Does not deliver...

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#54 - 2013-04-14 13:03:38 UTC
Thorleifer wrote:
Ya this thread delivers.

If you want to mine in highsec get a skiff and tank the crap out of it. Even a Mack can have EHP of over 30k. If you make yourself more costly to gank than it takes to gank you then you won't be ganked. Tank your ship up and stop AFK mining and undoubtable you are alot less likely to get ganked.

That means D-SCAN and pay attention to local. I have no sympathy for anyone who AFK mines and fits no tank on his barge, they deserve to be ganked. CCP can't fix stupid and you guys are asking them to do just that.


I've succesfully AFK mined for months on end in multiple locations with maxed out yield without issue. I've talked to other miners who've done this too.

gankers are as lazy as miners. they aren't going to roam all over high sec looking for you when there are plenty of easy targets who haven't yet learned to move. putting the effort into scouting out safer systems means you don't have to waste attention, or develop elaborate solutions to what is an uninvolving and boring activity.

I mean unless you really want to.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-04-14 13:05:17 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
what i found is that gankers shifted to ship scanning more after the changes and use multiple alts if required. Tanking may help if other players in system are untanked but if they want to get you they will because gankers aren't necessarily rational (in the sense that they're calculating profit). I've had a close call in a fairly well tanked Mackinaw versus two catalysts so while the tank obviously saved me it was no deterrent and I only survived because of the ganker's miscalculation (he tried to warp his third alt in but CONCORD popped him on arrival)


Eh... High sec miners story of heroic survival in the face of adversity...


Does not deliver...


oh it did. i picked up the killmail lol.

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Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-04-14 13:13:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Akiyo Mayaki
Miners can defend themselves. They choose not to.

But they'll come and whine to EVE-O nonetheless.

No
Josef Djugashvilis
#57 - 2013-04-14 13:32:51 UTC
Andski wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Andski wrote:
eve isn't fair, deal with it


So you no longer want production facilities in null to be as good as, or better than those in hi-sec, as 'eve isn't fair, deal with it'?


go pound sand while your exhumers get popped


I do not mine.

Does that help?

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Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#58 - 2013-04-14 13:39:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Maybe CCP could make an Ore that isn't worth anything on the market, but that makes the miner immune to PVP. So If a barge is mining in a "xero ore" belt then it is invulnerable

This way miners could mine all they wanted with no risk.
Dave Stark
#59 - 2013-04-14 15:23:52 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Maybe CCP could make an Ore that isn't worth anything on the market, but that makes the miner immune to PVP. So If a barge is mining in a "xero ore" belt then it is invulnerable

This way miners could mine all they wanted with no risk.


it's called spodumain.
Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-04-14 15:27:55 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Maybe CCP could make an Ore that isn't worth anything on the market, but that makes the miner immune to PVP. So If a barge is mining in a "xero ore" belt then it is invulnerable

This way miners could mine all they wanted with no risk.


I'd do it if 1000 m^3 of Xero ore refined into 1 trit.

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