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Gallamoth Sickle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-04-14 07:42:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallamoth Sickle
I get that no where in EVE is it truely safe and all that crap bla bla bla

but can someone explain to me how/when eve became a gankers paradise in high sec? I mean how is ok for someone to fly a ship worth a total of maybe 8-10 million take out somoene flying a ship worth 50m? I have read posts about people losing their orcas to ganks in high sec by several people all combined maybe flying ships that total 80-100 million (8-10 ships) or even less taking out a ship worth well over 1 bill full fitted? WTF?!?!

So i mean what defense is there? when orcas are dropped by a few well organized pilots flying cheap ships? I guess you could tank up your mackinaw but it only means what.... the ganker gets 2 of his friends to take out your 200mil ship by risking 10 mill a pilot?

I am all for ganks in high sec but the the cost to gank somoene is pennies on the dollar compared to what the ganked loses its just not fair at all.

This game just seems to be going down the toilet rapidly in the latest years. New players dont stand a chance agianst the EVE lifers that run multiple accounts and throw 10's of millions away on catalyst losses just to destroy people.

Let me say agian im not trying to complain about getting ganked rather i guess im complaining at the huge unfair cost diff of ships.

Why does CCP seem to have buffed destroyers creating a situation that favors the ganker and leaves the ganked almost completely defensless?

Even aligning to gate, mining in .7 and above, being at the computer, D-scanning constantly you still run a better chance of dieing than not if you find your self chosen by a ganker.

I know many trolls are gunna just tear this post a new one with the "eve isnt supposed be safe crap" but the fact that people create accounts just to gank ships with tech I ships that cost 5-10 times less then what it costs the person getting ganked. doesnt seem fair to me at all. and I feel it has caused many players to leave and will continue to do so.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2013-04-14 08:04:20 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
A vast amount of miners fit no tank at all and make themselves profitable to gank, as you can see with your ganked friend. Now you did fit a tank, however you made a mistake and left a big kinetic hole which is what allowed that destroyer (the most popular gankboat) to get through. You were also in 0.5 space which gave the ganker more than enough time to get through, you should stick to 0.7 space or use an exhumer or a procurer.
Prince Kobol
#3 - 2013-04-14 08:08:31 UTC
Gallamoth Sickle wrote:
I get that no where in EVE is it truely safe and all that crap bla bla bla

but can someone explain to me how/when eve became a gankers paradise in high sec? I mean how is ok for someone to fly a ship worth a total of maybe 8-10 million take out somoene flying a ship worth 50m? I have read posts about people losing their orcas to ganks in high sec by several people all combined maybe flying ships that total 80-100 million (8-10 ships) or even less taking out a ship worth well over 1 bill full fitted? WTF?!?!

So i mean what defense is there? when orcas are dropped by a few well organized pilots flying cheap ships? I guess you could tank up your mackinaw but it only means what.... the ganker gets 2 of his friends to take out your 200mil ship by risking 10 mill a pilot?

I am all for ganks in high sec but the the cost to gank somoene is pennies on the dollar compared to what the ganked loses its just not fair at all.

This game just seems to be going down the toilet rapidly in the latest years. New players dont stand a chance agianst the EVE lifers that run multiple accounts and throw 10's of millions away on catalyst losses just to destroy people.

Let me say agian im not trying to complain about getting ganked rather i guess im complaining at the huge unfair cost diff of ships.

Why does CCP seem to have buffed destroyers creating a situation that favors the ganker and leaves the ganked almost completely defensless?

Even aligning to gate, mining in .7 and above, being at the computer, D-scanning constantly you still run a better chance of dieing than not if you find your self chosen by a ganker.

I know many trolls are gunna just tear this post a new one with the "eve isnt supposed be safe crap" but the fact that people create accounts just to gank ships with tech I ships that cost 5-10 times less then what it costs the person getting ganked. doesnt seem fair to me at all. and I feel it has caused many players to leave and will continue to do so.


So your argument is that you shouldn't be able to kill a ship if it costs more then yours?
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#4 - 2013-04-14 08:08:59 UTC
There will come the day when miners realize that having a logistic ship in their mining fleet actually adds to the profits.

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Cartoondog
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-04-14 08:09:57 UTC
You can still be ganked, but it's as hard/harder than it's ever been.

To kill an Orca that has some kind of tank (I mean noone would fly one without at least a damage control on it, right?) with ganky Catalysts, you're looking at around 15 of the little buggers.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2013-04-14 08:24:12 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
There will come the day when miners realize that having a logistic ship in their mining fleet actually adds to the profits.


I doubt itStraight
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-04-14 08:29:35 UTC
eve isn't fair, deal with it

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Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-04-14 08:38:39 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
There will come the day when miners realize that having a logistic ship in their mining fleet actually adds to the profits.


This. This a million times this.

Look at a mining company today. Does the staff consist entirely of miners? No there's on site security, or a medic. It's not rocket science people.

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Akinesis
Black Rose Inc.
Black Rose.
#9 - 2013-04-14 08:50:34 UTC
The Mining Barges and Exhumers just got a massive overhaul!!! Fly a Skiff and tank that bad-boy up (it can have a tank compare able to a battleship!). Even the Mack can have a decent tank if fitted right.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#10 - 2013-04-14 09:04:00 UTC
Gallamoth Sickle wrote:

but can someone explain to me how/when eve became a gankers paradise in high sec?


Yo must be new here. Highsec started out as a ganker's paradise way back in the day. Today, nerf after nerf has made it more and more difficult to gank successfully. You have to be pretty well organized to pull off really high value ganks.

How do you protect yourself against ganks? Everybody else will tell you how. I'm not going to. Basically you have to be as well organized and aware as the gankers. That means not being AFK, of course.

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#11 - 2013-04-14 09:05:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Why are you whining about a ganking paradise? Now when we do something bad, EVERYBODY can attack us as we become suspect, that INCLUDES being podded and losing a clone and implants.

Ganking is anything but a pradise in Empire, infact it is even more riskier and higher penalty now in Retribution, in fact some would say it went too far on making Empire TOO SAFE.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-04-14 09:16:50 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Why are you whining about a ganking paradise? Now when we do something bad, EVERYBODY can attack us as we become suspect, that INCLUDES being podded and losing a clone and implants.

Ganking is anything but a pradise in Empire, infact it is even more riskier and higher penalty now in Retribution, in fact some would say it went too far on making Empire TOO SAFE.


Don't worry they'll nerf it more because the problem for the worthless bears isn't that ganking is too easy, it's that ganking is possible

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#13 - 2013-04-14 09:18:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Miilla
Andski wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Why are you whining about a ganking paradise? Now when we do something bad, EVERYBODY can attack us as we become suspect, that INCLUDES being podded and losing a clone and implants.

Ganking is anything but a pradise in Empire, infact it is even more riskier and higher penalty now in Retribution, in fact some would say it went too far on making Empire TOO SAFE.


Don't worry they'll nerf it more because the problem for the worthless bears isn't that ganking is too easy, it's that ganking is possible



I know, and CCP's business plan seems to be based on a Whine-O-Meter, because they need money, badly.


I am ok with 1.0 designated new rookie spawn systems being 100% safe, anything system lower, NOPE. Never.
Dave Stark
#14 - 2013-04-14 09:25:03 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
There will come the day when miners realize that having a logistic ship in their mining fleet actually adds to the profits.


so wrong it's painful.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2013-04-14 09:27:30 UTC
For those that don't follow the news, Exhumers are getting an EHP nerf. Sort of the exact opposite reason for them existing.
Dave Stark
#16 - 2013-04-14 09:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Tau Cabalander wrote:
For those that don't follow the news, Exhumers are getting an EHP nerf. Sort of the exact opposite reason for them existing.


hear that thud?

it was the last nail finding it's way to the hulk's coffin.

all hail, king retriever!
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#17 - 2013-04-14 09:33:18 UTC
I don't see how you even manage to get ganked. If a cheap warship enters the belt and begins closing the distance to you then you could just warp to that safe you were aligned to. As you where paying attention while mining and not alt tabbed on the forums when it happened.

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Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
#18 - 2013-04-14 09:34:46 UTC
OP: Think of a mining barge or exhumer like you would think of a strip mining crystal: They provide you with isk but eventually are destroyed.

With luck and some sensible actions on your part such as choosing a ship and fit for durability rather than yield, sticking with platinum insured T1 ships to reduce isk losses, staying well clear of systems with ice belts because they draw bots and gankers and being ready to hit warp when a suspicious ship enters the belt you are mining you can make being ganked almost irrelevant because the isk you make between ganks easily covers any losses.

Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-04-14 09:37:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ersahi Kir
Gallamoth Sickle wrote:
(a lot of stuff)


I have two equally viable pieces of advise for you.
1. a) Buy a procurer and tank it up
b) mine to your hearts content
c) profit

2. a)Buy a skiff and tank it up
b) mine to your hearts content
c) profit

As long as these two tools exist for miners they really have no room to complain. Unless you are particularly obnoxious gankers won't bother you. If you need some fits feel free to message me, but honestly they're not that hard to figure out.

Or continue mining in other barges and accept the higher risk of getting blown up.

/you can fit max yield in a skiff or procurer and still fit a sick tank
//procurers are stupid cheap, can be fit with tech I mods and no rigs, and still have more EHP than any other ship except the skiff
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#20 - 2013-04-14 09:44:07 UTC
Gallamoth Sickle wrote:
I get that no where in EVE is it truely safe and all that crap bla bla bla

If you think this game is crap, then why are you playing it?

Remove standings and insurance.
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