Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Just what these needed. I don't even have lasers trained but I like variety.. and having something to look forward to.

Nothing about crystal damage spread? It is the only dual-type weapon that goes from a near 50/50 to a 100/0 state in the course of progressing through the ranges.
Give them the projectile treatment sp we get lots of choices between therm/EM ratio's with some tracking/range/cap use thrown in on some of them.
Would love a low dps, extreme tracking option for instance.

Nothing about lasers in general? Navy MF/Scorch is the only ammo used with Conflag only used against known EM tankers, rest are very situational (Gamma has near MF spread with a little extra range so still seeing some use).
All lasers can use more tracking and all can use an ever so slight shift towards falloff (or reverse if you want to be evil) .. would prefer it be done through the ammo, but whatever floats your boat/inflatable girlfriend/cat.

For cap use 10% won't cut it. Consider the Abaddon in its current form (being joined now by Apocalypse), you need two eludite rigs to be semi autonomous using just guns (no MWD even fitted) .. that is a whopping 40% cap use decrease from two rigs which is barely enough to make it past five minutes of guns firing with some ECCM and a hardener thrown in = injector will be mandatory.
So even with the -10%, which is an appreciated gesture for sure, you are still looking at a requirement that says injector+2 rigs or cap from outside .. kind of harsh.
PS: That is with my maxed skills by the way, imagine what the scrub that you are so concerned about will experience trying to make cap-ends meet

Tachs are for all intents and purposes over-sized modules, as such requiring a fitting mod or two in order to use them more than acceptable .. current state where you have to use considerably more fitting mods however ..

I'm happy with Tach's being hard to fit. I think 1400mm arty are the same for Minmatar?
They work fantastically on a Nightmare, and can be used in select fits on other ship if you want out and out damage at range.

You can compromise by using mega beams for easier fitting, cap usage etc. They're not *that* much worse

Moar numbers

I know everyone here is concentrating on Tachyons .. I'll get around to those at some point..

350mm Railgun 1
activation 15.4

Dual Heavy Beam Laser 1
activation 35

The numbers for these guns (range,falloff,refire) all seem fairly balanced.
Using the same configuration for Mega Beam 1 it's activation cost should be between 49 and 52 BEFORE adding
your new -20%

I don't have a direct comparison for the Tachyons as they are an oversized module. The numbers for them appear
to be somewhere between 70 and 85 for Tachyon Beam 1 before the 20% reduction.

stop smoking please

I'm sorry ... let me try that again with those side by side so you can see them

65 GJ vs 21 GJ with close to the same stats besides tracking ...
3250 grid vs 2200 grid would be 50% of the fitting of the 2200 to get to 3250 ...

Regolis... You're significantly overlooking the other benefits of lasers.... Like ammo usage. Plus Amarr ships tend to have more powergrid to fit the larger guns.

By all means argue that lasers use too much cap, but suggesting they should have the same usage as Hybrids is bonkers.

Well that mildly suprised me!

It's going in a good direction. Cap need change on beams, while not completely counterbalancing loss of hull bonuses towards cap use will help make all of the new lineup more capstable. Maybe even firing the damn things without capping out!

What it needs now is some heavy EFT wizardry and testing on SiSi. It's really a good starting point for the discussion though.

My future absurd anti-support pulse Apoc fits thank you. <3 <3 <3