Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I fly amarr too...but by extension, you're also asking for minmatarr hail/barrage to cut through t2 amarr explosive/kin resistance, void/null to cut through caldari thermal/kin resistance, and scourge fury to cut through gallente kinetic resistance simply because there's a base high resistance? Remember that unless you're tanking specifically for em/therm, amarr cut right through caldari and t1 shield ships. That's a dangerous road, my friend, making exceptions.

2) Why 2 times ? What is the objective of such a number ?

3) What is "in line" ? Isn't it in line already ?

The issues with lasers as I am sure you know span all three sizes.

Cap usage is prohibitively high for new players. I originally flew amarr. However, I stopped as I couldn't fire and tank simultaneously. The small T1 lasers ate up far more cap than a T2 small reper. Lasers cap use should be higher than hybrids but not 3x!

CCP, please adjust the lasers to have a more reasonable amount of cap use at least! Maybe consider reducing cap use of lasers and increase the cap-regen of amarr ships as they are meant to racially field lasers. That would make sense, I think.

1) Youg player problem is a falacy. My first lvl4 missions BS was an amarr BS, and I had no problem doing these missions considering the poor skills I had. And if I swaped to amarr, that was because of the poor state of railguns.

2) I yet have to see ONE amarr ship suffering from these cap issues to the point it's a bad ship with no use. Since the rebalance, all amarr ships are no less than excellent. Yes, amarr have cap problems, but all races have problems, like range, speed, robustness or whatever. Asking for amarr to be cap easy is asking for homogenization.

Please, tell me more about delusion and how bad tachyon will be.

BTW, your whole post is about yelling at me and explaining how a bad guy I am. Why don't you show me some facts instead ?

And how should I write that the problem of beams is not fitting or cap use for you to understand ?

You are mixing mega beams and tachyons, which are two VERY different things.

Oh, and please, tell me more about the better choice of damage types of railguns ! :D
Also, railguns use more CPU than tachyon ; a lot more.

And slightly more tracking ? 40% (for tachyon, the worse tracking beams, which outclass other LR weapons in any way) is slight ? Ok...

Delusion you said ?

Do you even know what I proposed for beams ? Do you even take the changes in the first post into account ?

No, and I don't care either. You have proved time and again that the only thing you are interested in is making sure railguns aren't challenged in usefulness by beams. You have said so time and again.

Have you actually bothered to read from the dozens of posts who went to the test server and said that the bandaid fixes none of the issues? Have you listened to all the people who have said "not enough" "too little, too late", or all the rest?

No. Then why on earth should I actually give consideration to anything you say?

You know what, Bouh?

Let's start this over. Forget anything else either of us have said.

Consider the following:

Each primary weapon system in this game has two versions, long range and short range.

One race, Amarr, has long range weapons that are both too difficult to fit in relation to their usefulness, but also are entirely outshined by the long range weapon of any other race on their own merits.

Why is this acceptable?

If this is not acceptable, what can be done to that weapon system (and only that weapon system) to make them viable to be used again? Because currently, they are not used. Their popularity and their usefulness are one and the same.

One caveat. Your answer cannot be any of the following:

Nerf pulses so beams are more attractive.
Beams are fine. (if you're here to make that argument, then we are done)
Give Amarr access to other weapons systems.

Basically, you are not allowed in any seeming to be avoiding answering the direct questions.

That's absolutely wrong.

Please, start your argumentation on real facts, not on the fantasy you build around amarr performances.

Pulse are the best weapon in a wide range of engagement. Large pulse especialy are better than any other weapon between 15 and 60km. There is absolutely nothing better than pulse in these range.

On the Apoc, pulse hit up to 80km with a dps competitive with LR weapons up to this max range.

In fact, pulse have almost the widest range of engagement in the game.

Also, pulse are actually easy to fit on amarr ships.

Hence, beams are actually largely overshadowed by pulse.

On the other side of the spectrum, you have railguns. Why railguns ? Because they are, exactly like beams, an LR dps weapon.

Lore wise, railguns are supposed to be the best LR weapon. But where does LR start ? That is the actual question which determine how railguns will live.

If you think pulse are fine and railguns could live well farther, then you can increase the range of beams to make them more powerful up to the distance you want railguns to be.
If you think railguns are fine, you can reduce a little the range of scorch where beams will live up to the railguns range.
You can also do a little of both.
Yet, none of these solution is really attractive. A better solution would give a real something to beams, but what could that be ?
The only solution I see is a prolongation of pulse, with about the same damage as they currently have (beam ; or a tiny little more) but a lot more tracking (like pulse/scorch). Fitting and cap could now stay as they are planned for odissey, because they would now worth them, may be.

I so agree with what you're saying. At the current time though someone with level 3s in skills can jump into a Gallente or Caldari ship and actually make it work. If you try that in Amarr ships the guns alone break cap. If CCP is lowering the bar to get into the ships you have to think that they WANT lower skill players in those ships. The Amarr situation makes those ships unusable to lower skill players.