Player Features and Ideas Discussion

+1 on the applying resists to remote reps idea, I think that is the way to balance resists at this point instead of -1% resist bonus.

Here is a counter proposal to the resist nerf:

Apply resists to remote reps exactly like they are applied to damage. Note that the incoming hp should be treated as if it is all 4 damage types equally (think Sansha incursion damage), and local reps should not suffer from this.

Split the active omni resist boost modules by size, and give the medium version 125% cap cycle cost increase, and the large a 150% cap cycle cost increase. Keep the smalls like the old ones.

This is actually far more elegant than changing 40+ ships worth of stats, and fixes the absurd invuln stacking + remote rep gameplay in large blobs.

But please, leave our beloved resist bonus alone. It might fix large fleets, but small fleet/roam/raider meta will be smashed by the proposed changes.

As for everyone who reads this post, please consider it a petition, and like it if you support the changes I describe over CCP's proposal.

Good Idea...

but not a solution active bonus is useless in Fleets.

If a ship have a Resi-Bonus it also habe a Rep Bonus and a EHP Bonus.
And we can use it in small scale pvp and fleet pvp... where aktive tank is bullshit :(

Most of active bonus repping ships (shield/Armor) have more med oder low slots...

ALL WE NEED IS A BONUS FOR SMALL SCAL AND LARGE PVP...

A Solution:

for example
a shield/armor tanking ship get 4% resi bonus for each LVL
while the repper is AKTIVE!!!!!
37,5% rep bonus come together with 20% resi bonus while repper is active.


Aktive Repper bonus ships need a slot to be usefuel in fleets.

There have been some hings brought up about HICs, that they should keep there 5% role, I agree. Not only should HICs keep the bonus but so should the hacs that use them, and command ships. Seeing as most hacs are OK and since the cruiser rebalance almost half of the hacs are too expensive compared to their t1 counter parts. The Sacrilege is one that needs love as is, it fills a niche yes, but its not GREAT, considering the new maller can do more dps and have similar buffer, so I feel that ships like the Sacrilege, Devoter and Abos/Damnation do not need that heavy handed ehp nerf, considering they already aren't worth the isk you put into them. Hopefully before you go and do this, you at least rebalance the HACs and CS before you implement this change to them.



Anyway thanks for reading! o7

Excellent change

(omg, michael harari agreeing with fozzie wtf).

I think you should consider leaving the bonus on the AT ships though

I also guess this means that hacs and CS are going to be rebalanced soon?

Hehe just what i expected.
Oh no 5% resist bonus compared to 7.5% repair amount bonus is too good, lets insta nerf resist bonus.
Lots of bla bla bla to show us why 5% resist bonus is better.

Now the fails:
-This is clearly another caldari nerf , and amarr, we already know caldari is the most used race for pvp , so it rly needs this nerf right?
-Another stealth boost for winmatar, they dont use resist bonus , so whohoo every minmatard are happy now.
Also the smaller ehp is very welcome by alpha dmg ships, which for some reason tends to be matar ships ,what a coincidence..
-Never takes into account actual ship performance, why would he? We all fly bonuses only , who has the better wins , right?
imho resist bonused ship hulls tend to be shittier than the ships without, if you negate the bonuses
-Nerfs already subpar ships,yes those need to be looked at anyway ,but if resist bonus is so op as he says why those ships arent used?like eagle ,ferox,punisher
-Another balancing from solo/very small pvp view(aka repair bonused ships), maybe if you wouldnt design the game that you need more and more people to do anything efficiently like sov warfare ,i can totally see how "small" number of people can take territory ...
-Maybe just maybe self repair bonus is a bad idea to start with , only good for small fleet/solo and pve
-if self repair bonused ships are so bad why not boost them to be on par with resist bonused/normal ones? you could maybe lower the cap need for repair modules , lower their fitting needs, increase the bonust to 9% or something
-if the problem is that the resist bonus also gives self repair bonus , why not give a penalty to even it out? like -3% for repair modules efficiency /lvl?


oh and some more question:
-which resist bonused ships do you think are too good ? wouldnt be easier to look at them and balance them than to change
20+ or such ships?
-why is it a problem to have a good or better bonus than some other,especially when there are many other things the ships can be balanced like slots , fitting , speed etc?
-you already went throu balancing with many ships with resist bonuses , does this nerf to them means you look at them again and give them boost to be balanced?

I agree with 5% resistances per level being quite strong right now, but I don't believe EVERY ship with the bonus needs to be whacked with a nerfbat.

I think this change needs to be less broad and the devs need to use more discretion when working out what ships are deserving of it before making sweeping changes.

I see three possible balance problems with this change, though I generally support it.

1. A good portion of your argument for the strength of resist bonuses is the magnification of remote repair bonuses, which don't apply to HICs, which may mean these craft need some form of countervailing buff to compensate for reduced resistances.

2. If and when off-grid boosting is addressed, we'll see a lot more command ships mixed in with fleets, and they'll need every bit of tank they can possibly get as they're transferred from a nice safe position to a very vulnerable one.

3. Lower resist bonuses could make dreadnought blapping an even more effective / dangerous tactic, and I do hope that this form of combat is included in your tests.

Would you consider not changing the resist bonus or immediately buffing the tank on the devoter, broadsword, phobos and onyx to compensate for this change?

The literal reason they are useful is because of their heavy, heavy tank, and taking away from that is taking away from the very function of those ships.

I also think the faction battleships (rattler, scorp navy issue) should retain the heavier bonus or have buffs to compensate.

Could also do for a buff on the merlin, punisher, vengeance, malediction, moa, and harpy to compensate for the resist nerf on it.

Resists bonuses have been out of whack with the other ship tanking bonuses for quite a long time.... These changes are very good...

3.) And to be frank, if you compare the rep ability of two ships, one with a 7.5% Rep bonus, and one with a 5% resist bonus... The Resist bonus occassionally outperforms the Rep bonus when local repping because the resist bonus doesn't stack with resist modules. Additionally, the resist bonus is viable for buffer tanking, remote rep tanking, as well as local rep tanking... It's an AMAZINGLY powerful bonus... and frankly, it's extremely hard for other ships to compete.

5.) Not all ships should be amazing solo ships.... And active tanking is NOT as common, even in solo/small gang PvP, as you make it out to be. For every case of an active tanked ship used in small gang/solo PvP, I can often point to two other ships in the same class that utilize buffer tanks instead!

Looking at this purely from a wspace point of view, the resist changes are going to have an interesting impact on the Archon and the Chimera. When was the last time you saw triage thanatos's and nidhoggurs used in pvp for anything but bait?

The Chimera, even with the same resist bonus has a difficult time matching the sustained tank of the archon, and even then you have to use a disproportionate amount of faction/deadspace mods.

When you add in the fact that most wspace fleets are almost exclusively t3's with high average dps, even triage carriers have cause for concern, and that's before the first Bhaalgorn arrives.

I'm glad that CCP is finally attempting to address the power creep in the game, but at the same time I cant bring myself to support the resist changes to the carriers. The slowcat doctrines in null are hard to break, but it is doable if you bring the right tools. I just dont want to see triage become a death sentence again.

Also, nerf pulsars!