Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Um, what? This has to be a troll.

No, it needs to be 2.89112% 3% is still too much.

Just to help the ISPs find the troll, let's get a -5% resist "bonus" on the hulls!

Wow. So, let's see, hopefully we can at least get some acknowledgement that this broad brush nerf will require the rebalancing of just about half the Caldari and Amarr T1 lineup. That would help reassure me (and a ton of Caldari and Amarr players) that the actual good ships in their hangars aren't going poof.



Ok, and what? 7 of those actually deserve to be nerfed? Most of the ships on this list have been balanced around having the EHP and resists they have on live. (cough, Punisher, cough).

Also, lol, the list isn't complete. You forgot Procurer at least.

I am not even going to take the Battleship tiericide into account when I say this, because most of the ships in this list are not battleships, but this makes an awful lot of the ships on this list un-flyable.

Merlin, Moa, Drake, Ferox, Rattlesnake (frag it, just remove all pirate BS but the Mach, since you are damned determined to functionally remove or replace them it seems), and so on. I am not too familiar with shield ships, but seriously? Who looks at the old Rattlesnake and screams OP?

And the situation only gets worse for the poor armor ships, who thanks to the utter imbalance between shield and armor (hint, shield is better), REQUIRE the EHP they have in order to even step up to the plate in comparison.

So my question boils down to, seeing as you will be pretty much gutting a lot of these ships in order to nerf a few that are OP, what will you be doing to correct this? And has it not occurred to you to simply lower the base resists of the offending ships instead?

[Edit: And while we are on the subject, since this will turn PVP into even worse of an alpha festival than it already is, are we going to see a 10% reduction to artillery alpha? Because that is the real problem here. The so called OP ships in this lineup are called so because they can actually take a hit or two from the all powerful arty. The disuse of other ships is because of the toxic pvp environment that currently stands. Which is pretty much entirely the fault of Minmatar Artillery ships, specifically those using Large arty.

all u need to change it`s not shield/armor resistance. All u need it`s make a slave set analog for shield . No need to brakw that work fine FOR YEARS!

Crystal Alpha
This ocular filter has been modified by Guristas scientists for use by their elite officers.

Primary Effect: +3 bonus to Perception

Secondary Effect: 1% bonus to shield boost amount

Set Effect: 15% bonus to the strength of all Crystal implant secondary effects

Note: Does not affect capital class modules.



Slave Alpha
This ocular filter has been modified by Sanshas scientists for use by their elite officers.

Primary Effect: +3 bonus to Perception

Secondary Effect: 1% bonus to armor HP

Set Effect: 15% bonus to the strength of all Slave implant secondary effects


Where they same?
Eve Online players need bonus to shield HP . IMO

Right, here is a good direction to go into:

Give a stacking penalty to damage and reps, but instead of making the 4th rep/dps useless, adjust the penalty to allow up to 8 people to deal damage effectively on one target at one time.

That brings fleet combat to a squad vs squad level, with each squad having 8 dps and 2 support ships. That way, bringing extra squads over your opponent means you can reinforce the squad that is dealing damage effectively once they pull out, but you wont be able to just kill entire squads outright in the first 5 seconds of the exchange by massive alpha. It also makes piling into one grid location less attractive, which is good for the servers.

This! Again and again and again!!!
But Vaerah, he will not undertand what you are saying, he is a goon.

I remember years ago playing PK in one Korean MMORPG. My skill allowed me to fight outnumbered under high risks. Something that is in my eyes is more and more rare in EVE.

and exactly what sort of benefit are all these hulls recieving in return for taking this penalty then?

Dear Fozzie and Rise,

I too am deeply concerned that after 10 years of eve in which 5% per level has been perfectly fine it's taken 1 recent thread full of Gallente whine to cause this sudden change.


Given that the ships affected are primarily Amarr and Caldari (which is every ship I own) I understandably unhappy. These ships have for the most part previously been balanced with the 5% resists in mind, some ships have had their signatures increased, their buffer decreased, they've lost hull, armour and shields, turrets, missiles, scan resolution and a whole host of other attributes all in the name of balance.

You have told us they were balanced. Now suddenly they are not. Does this mean that you are incompetent? A few weeks ago I would have thought not, but recent posts in this Features and Ideas section are rapidly bringing me around to the conclusion that you are incompetent and should be removed from your position as head of balance team.

Let me make this plain. I do not want your version of balance....

I want an edge. I want to get into a ship and know that it has at least 1 tangible advantage over any other ship in it's class. I want it to do something well, something I can train my skills around to accentuate whatever that ship does. When all ships do something well that's balance. The way I see it your plans will result in an eve online experience of utter blandness. A few years from now we will undock in a generic frigate or cruiser or whatever, that is fitted with a generic weapon system that does the same generic damage as any other. It might look different to the ships of my enemies and it's guns may elicit a different graphical effect, but that's all it will be.

My generic skills will be unimportant as these nerfs have only served to lessen the impact of skills on performance. I trained BC to 5 to get BC 4 performance out of my guns and missiles, armour, shields and hull, now with the 5% resist bonus dropping that will probably drop to BC 3 equivalence under the old scale.

Will our old ships get buffed with extra buffer in return for the resist nerf? or higher base resists I doubt it as according to you guys they weren't balanced back then, despite you telling us that they were.

There's more I can say, but I don't want to turn this into a wall of text. Let me be clear after the winter of nerfs and soon to come summer of nerfs you guys have used up all of my good-will. All of it. I feel like starting a riot in Jita, when the player base kicks off you tend to listen then.

And as for the political shiv of telling us to vote in the CSM if we don't like it, that sets a stupid and dangerous precedent where future balance issues get settled by the politicians. If we had a vote everytime something major came up for balance and it went through the CSM, the nullbears would get everything their way, the game would get balanced around fleets and alpha, we'd have 0% resists and alpha buffs, because everyone knows the CSM has no high sec representatives.