Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This only affects the issues of remote reps. The other issues would remain unadressed. This includes the issue of local reps, specifically the similarity in performance with active rep bonused ships while providing superior buffer at the same time.

10 years.

I've been on here, in one form or another, for at least eight of that.

Why is that important? Because this 'you guys don't know your business, I am a business owner and know more, this will ruin eve, yadda yadda yadda' spiel your on right now? Been done. Not fresh. Not even close to new. And unarguably, proven wrong.

Oh, I think you might be right on one account, that they are trying to push new players (under a few months) out of bs's and into smaller ships where they might actually be able to develop the in-game skills to fit them correctly.

The difference you and I have, though, is I personally have argued FOR that change, to make it better on new players. Cause an ignorant newb flying a battleship fitted with undersized guns and tier 1 modules is waiting for his day to be seriously ruined, and we all know it. You have to push them out of the larger ships, make them less useful. Not to make it harder, but to make it BETTER.

As much as I disagree at times about what CCP chooses to do, the proof is that EvE continues to grow and improve, year on and year off, even in one of the worst generations for computer gaming since before the Comadore.

I don't argue your math. I argue that you don't have perspective. And, your a flake.

Don't be ashamed.

Yeah, I fly the legion, ham tengu (for shield fleets), and many in my corp fly loki's, and my toon is just starting to use them. The resistance profile is quite nice coupled with its low signature. My concern is that they're the only two truly viable defense subs. The sig radius subsystem? laughable.
On a side note, this is also going to hit all the passive tanked ships out there. regen tanking c1-c3 wh's is very doable, but in most cases it's only through the use of a ship with a resistance bonus (loki, gila, tengu, drake). I've been against passive shield tanking more often than not, but this is a little niche that really only works in lower-class pve.

Just to give some perceptive on the matter, an Abaddon today with a DC2 and 2 T2 eanms with max skills has the following resists: 81.3 EM/75.7 Therm/71.9 Kin/70.1 Explosive. After the changes the abaddon gets 80 EM/74.1 Therm/70.1 Kin/68.1 Explosive.

So to all of you that are saying that "OMG we are losing 5-6-7% of our tank!" are flat out wrong. You forget that you are unlikely to change the tanking mods just cause of the bonus reduction so while you lose some % from the resist bonus the modules cover a portion of that due to how resist stacking works(if you start with 50% resist and add a 50% hardener you don't get 100% resist, you get 75%).

You know, this change stings a little bit on my brand new triage Archon. It was certainly not the balance change I was hoping for. but what the hell, lets try it out. That said, ships like HICs, maulers, and really bad Caldari T2 2xoptimal hulls need to be watched so this nerf doesn't knock them out of usefulness or grind them down further. I mean it's hardly likely the eagle needs a nerf, but perhaps you have a magic fix in the wings for medium railguns.

If you're going to reduce the +5% shield bonus on the wyvern please give us a shield implant set like the armor capitals have?

Well this is probably selfish (training perfect amarr/caldari capital and super takes really a long time, and we all did it for one reason only, for those resist bonuses), and since capitals are different from subcaps, and so few (1 each race) can't we buff the other carriers? The thanatos can get extra damage bonus, and the niddy can get a small hp buffer bonus (make it able to tank more alpha, fitting since it's minmatar). The problem with carriers and supers, is that you dont have any other option and skilling to them takes a really long time, so even the smallest nerf will hurt (for instance the nerf although 1% will be the difference of amarr carrier 5 and 4 which take months to train), whereas battleship 5 will be good for two other battleships, maurader, and blackops.

Speedtanking a supercapital?

I think the very obvious point here is that it's bone-headedly stupid to nerf a bonus you feel is overpowered, because all the ships with the 'overpowered' bonus will, or at least should have, been balanced with that overpowered stat in mind.

By nerfing this bonus, you are in essence blanket-nerfing 44 ships without any thought to the consequences for those ships. To some degree, the bonus is entirely irrelevant- you don't say 'the Rokh's resistance bonus is too strong', most of the time you're assuming all level V skills and just say 'the Rokh's resistances are too strong'. Like the cov-ops CPU change, you may say 'the progression of this bonus is wrong' and make the bonus weaker so that, at low skills, the ship is still usable, but you compensate the hull for the loss of bonus to give a smoother, less pronounced procession.

Each ship is balanced by itself. I don't understand why this is suddenly being thrown out the window.

so 8 ship should compete for the same role? that is impossible to balance , especially as that role are already favour by matar/gall here deimos/vaga, so what would they become a weaker version of those ships?