EVE General Discussion

This describes me exactly too.

I fail to see how you can be casual and live in nullsec. If I'm wrong then please someone enlighten me. If my life still supported being able to play an MMO 5 hours a night on a regular schedule you can bet your a$$ I'd be in an active nullsec corp looking for constant organized action.

Reading the forums I think it's easy to get a skewed impression of EvE's demographic. You'd think that all of eve online is dominated by hardcore players in active corps and surviving in low/null. In reality the opposite is almost certainly true. The carebear, empire-living, mission running, non-forum posting players surely outnumber the rest by a monstrous margin.

Nerf empire to the ground in the process of fixing low/null if you must but I can't help thinking that'll be throwing the baby out with the bath water. Casuals can walk away from EvE and find something new to spend their money on far easier than the hardcore player can and I can only imagine would do so. I know I could, can and have.

You really don't need to play 5 hours a night. The fact that people aren't aware of this and don't know how to find the organizations that complement their playstyle is the problem. Furthermore, getting more casuals like yourself out of hisec will have a snowball effect that will in turn make the transition easier for those who follow.

You have been let down by CCP and those veterans and/or hardcores that have gone before you.

I personally am working right now on a corporation designed specifically for the new, casual, and burntout veteran so almost anyone who wants to can get a piece of what nullsec has to offer.

There is the time factor on the one hand. During the week I don't have much time to put into EVE and even less energy.

Then there is the experience you want to get out of EVE.

And here there are things that CCP can do for more immersion. And things that simply kill aspects of the game because of the current playerbase.

High Sec is not the tutorial systems. Empire is quite large and many enjoy what it has to offer them. Anyone would be a fool to assume Empire is safe. It is not. You can be wardecked, you can be suicide ganked. And that's all good and fine. And I'm not a big fan of the new "chicken out at any time" ideas.

Low Sec is the border of Empire and the feeling it should convey should be akin to the old pirate islands/hideouts. It should be a haven for criminals of all kinds. But I think CCP didn't give us enough to add to that feeling and not much incentive to go there. Usually you have your gatecamps, which means a bunch of guys waiting until someone throws them a bone and jumps into the midst of their trap. That is when they go all cheerio. It's as lucrative as the high school bully robbing some unlucky geek's pocket money. They could easily fix that introducing more criminal activities to do aside from smuggling boosters and camping.

0.0 is the hardest to fix. It is the place for large corps to carve their own empires. This basically currently has resulted in one enormous empire. Realistically at the moment no other force can get a foothold there, except if they rent or if HUGE numbers of High, Low and Wormhole players would unite. As has happened several times before in the past. I have a feeling it will not happen again, soon, though. The worst about it all is, that the main reason why many of the people I know went to 0.0 is they can make more ISK faster. Where is the great playermade Empire idea in that?

Wormholes: Empty, mysterious - the ultimate exploration experience is what I want out of them. Well... Some of them indeed are still kind of empty and yes... I actually like them and would love to see them expended.

Now, I for example play with a bunch of friends and a few people we got to now in EVE. We fly together mostly, no matter what we do. Unless everyone agrees all had a hard day at work, in which case some fly together, some do whatever they want to do or we just TS the evening away. But mostly we do things together and we enjoy being just that: A small group of like-minded persons/friends flying spaceships having fun.

We play in High Sec, make our occasional ventures into Low Sec and sometimes go into a wormhole. Perhaps some day we will claim one for ourselves, who knows? What I do know is that 0.0 holds absolutely no attraction for us. We do not WANT to be part of a large Alliance like Goonswarm. The kind of "camraderie" offered in such Alliances just doesn't fit with why we play EVE. We do not want to rent or join or even bow. I'm pretty sure we are not alone with this view.

So what happens when you nerf Empire and Wormholes to get more people in 0.0 is, more people will leave. Because wherever you are in EVE, you are there because it is a game and you want to have fun.

Instead of nerfing 0.0, Wormholes and Empire, they should add to the distinctiveness of these places. So far you can be many things already in EVE. As said multiple times, if you are creative and think out-of-the-box, so many more options still come to your mind. More criminal activities for Low Sec. Allow people to construct their own pleasure hubs, get into prostitution, more meaningful stuff to smuggle, etc.

It is not a progression like: Tutorials --> High Sec --> Low Sec --> Wormholes --> 0.0... It is a sandbox and allows for many playing styles. Nerf a region to death and the players there will go.

And sometimes 0.0 will spill into High Sec, like right now with Goons vs Ice Miners and then the ice miners better gear up and smarten up and get some ideas... and especially team up! But the fundamental option to be what one wants to be and where should not be artificially destroyed.

I... I don't know.

You know... I may be confusing this with the "nerf wormholes ABC" threads and the "move ice to null" threads, both of which significantly crap on wormhole life, as do the many moronic threads from people trying to break cloaking. No one thinks outside their little box as to how changes can ripple out and crap on other areas of the game.

My apologies, sincerely.

No, but you can roll it in glitter.

hahahaaahahahah
seriously
is this guy for real?
lmao

*LOL*

What does "secret society" have to do with this ? O_o

You're just ignoring a valid possibility because of "CONSPIRACY OMG" which is ... just dumb, really.


They are enough ppl.
They have Goons in CCP.
They have Goons at the CSM.

So it definitly is possible that they just try to break the game,
or maybe even take it over, one step at a time, or WHATEVER,
just because of the same reason plenty of people do stuff in EvE.

Because they can.

One can't deny their influence, even if nobody talks about it
or says "they're not goons anymore because they now work for CCP" bla.

To say that there is no bond there is ridiculous too,
considering how many ppl the goons are ... and how many more where they come from.


Ignoring Tinfoil-hattery is one thing,
but ignoring realistic possibilities (long time goals) is a totally different one.


That's why i can't stand CONSPIRACYTHEORY-screamers,
because they ignore pretty much everything that's not total bullshit too. ^^


Also ... learn punctuation. Even bad one makes you look less stupid than none.

Myself (all three accounts) have been playing for just over 4 years.
Was all about the alarm-clock ops in 0.0 (Dronelands) back when IRON was there.
Moved to the North and joined up with WI> when they were not much more than a start up.

Had a great time and loved it ... moved back to HiSec due to RL commitments and time constraints.
So, I am that HiSec dweller that mines a little, missions a little, invents and builds some stuff, explores from time to time ... basically going where my fancy takes me. Pretty casual as my time is limited.

All that said, this next expansion will be a decision point for me. As much as I love Eve, will it still be worth it anymore?

I am hoping for the magic to return ... fingers crossed.

What CCP needs to do is figure out how to make a "grass is greener" scenario, realizing that removing the grass from high sec is cheating. Thing is... your carebear types won't be going to null simply because they prefer safer space. It's who they are, and if you make changes to the game that push them too far outside their comfort zones they're more likely to stop playing than they are to go where they're not comfortable, and not happy at being forced to move.

So here's the real problem... to get more people into null space you actually need to make is safer. However, if you make it safer, you're effectively killing null space. It's an unenviable task. However, taking things away from high sec/ wormholes, etc. will not push people into null. It'll just push them to other games.

It's not a conspiracy if I believe it. Really guise, really really reals. Goons are out to destroy a game they have put years into.