EVE New Citizens Q&A

The system where OP's loss occurred is only a couple jumps out from the Gallente starting system of Clellinon.

One part of me is bothered by that fact while another part of me says welcome to Eve.

Btw. Vey is NOT a rookie system. So petitions won't change ****.

They do it because they can. Live with the understanding it will happen to you every now and then.

Welcome to EvE.....

I looked at your killmail

Why was it done? Who knows: maybe they are trying to drop their sec status, maybe they wanted to get rid of their incursus in a creative way, maybe you pissed them off, maybe they are declaring that system for themselves, and protecting their claim via suicide ganking, maybe they though you were someone's alt! If you want to know, ask them, and maybe they'll tell you.

This was obviously NOT profitable: a cheap fit incursus is about 750k, which is much more than I'd expect a venture to drop in loot. However, suicide ganking is generally sustained by picking "profitable" targets.

This is actually a VERY cheap lesson which you should take to heart:

EvE is a game where other players can ruin your day, and even if you do everything "right", sometimes bad **** happens indiscriminately, just like a Mom, Child, Nun, Saint, Judge, or Convict can be the unfair victim of a drunk driver, anywhere, anytime. Realize, you can be scammed, ganked, AWOXed, stolen from, and ultimately betrayed in every conceivable manner, but this doesn't mean you can't protect yourself, because you typically can. Rather, it simply means that you are ultimately responsible for protecting yourself: either by avoiding dangerous areas, tanking your ships, carefully reading contracts, NEVER doing direct-trades in stations with strangers, don't trust buy orders (they aren't guaranteed and can fail), and generally, be careful who you trust.

The challenge of EvE, is learning who to trust and how to trust, as to accomplish great things in this game you generally need to work with others in a trusting fashion, when they could betray that trust.

Orbiting the asteroid wouldn't have made a difference for your ship.
He would still have set up so he could easily kill you.

Your pod however...as soon as your ship dies (or if it's slowly dying - just before it dies) you select something from the overview (planet, asteroid belt, station, custom offices) and click the warp button about once a second. Spamming it like a mad man will only cause lag and that will kill your pod. Slowly but steadily clicking the warp button will almost insta warp your pod out of harms way.

As an aside, some comments on your fit.

2 mining lasers, don't fit a blaster. You're flying a mining boat, not a combat ship
Shield extender, not a booster. Booster won't help with ganks as you don't have the time, not needed for rats. Extender and hardener will make you a tiny little bit harder to gank (as in there will be easier targets around)
Light scout drone or 2 will handle the rats in a 0.8 system.

Something like this (ran this up for a new char the other week)

[Venture, Newbie]
Mining Laser Upgrade I

ML-3 Amphilotite Mining Probe
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Medium Subordinate Screen Stabilizer I

XeCl Drilling Beam I
XeCl Drilling Beam I
Salvager I

Hobgoblin I x2

Edit: Now with cheaper shield extender

I'm pretty sure there are.

Somebody's having his own Venturegeddon!

Well, I looked up some details on the guy that killed you. Let me tell you about him, and what you can do to avoid getting killed by him.

1) Every ship he flies that gets kill by CONCORD is only equipped with the cheapest guns, and the cheapest magnetic field stabilizers to increase the damage those guns do. Nothing in the mid slots, not even a warp scrambler. If it can't doesn't help him to apply damage, he doesn't fit it.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17175522

2) A lot of his deaths have faction police on the kill mails too, not just CONCORD. This led me to check his security status, and he is -10.0


A -10.0 security status tells us 2 things about him.
a) He cannot live in high security space, and after a couple of seconds, faction police will show up to shoot at him, even if he does nothing illegal.
b) He should have shown up in your overview as a name highlighted in RED. This is a warning that he is dangerous.

Since he has nothing in his mid slots in most of his kills, he probably did not warp scramble you, so you could have run away by warping to a stargate or station as soon as he began attacking you. In fact, the Venture has a bonus to warp core strength that enables you to escape after most normal warp scramble attempts have been applied.

What you should have done is
1) Be very worried when a name highlighted in RED shows up on you overview on grid with you. This means that the pilot illegally kills other pilots. If you don't want to fight, you should be thinking of escaping at this point.
2) Be even more worried when he began targetting you (when his icon in your overview, and his ship in space, began getting surrounded y pulsing yellow brackets. if you REALLY don't want to fight, you should definitely be trying to escape by now.
3) Hit the "Warp to...." button with a stargate or station or anything further away than 150 kms selected. You would have been able to get away.

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What I can tell from all this, is that the guy who killed you is a troll, who killed you just for the jollies and not for the cash. I've done that before, myself (though I was picking on unarmed 3-year old characters in expensive mining ships). He wil have a method worked out for killing newbie miners as follows.

1) He can't live in hisec space, faction police would get him. So he's docked up in a station, or is flying around a lowsec system nearby.
2) He has an alt in a cloaky ship flying around belts. He waits until he finds a newbie in a stationary mining ship. He moves his cloaky alt up next to the newbie, then undocks his incursus, and warps to his alt before faction police arrive. His alt warps out before his incursus lands on field.
3) He quickly blows up the newb, trying to snag the pod too.
4) CONCORD and the faction police arrive and blow him up
5) He moves his pod to a safe spot and takes a break for 15 minutes.... then repeats.


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So you can't do anything to stop him from attacking you, because that's the way he likes to play the game. You can stay alive and not lose your ship to him. Just put some form of shield extender on your ship. Warp away when he, or anyone with a name highlighted in red, lands out of warp near your ship. Add his name as a contact with bad standing, and watch out for him in local. Don't fly around in systems with him.

There is a large sect of players in EVE that feel newbies and carebears in hi-sec are the scourge of this game, it keeps them up at night thinking "THOSE CAREBEARS ARE RUNINING MY PLAY-TIME ENJOYMENT BY NOT PLAYING MY GAME MY WAY! /rawrblam" so they are compelled by inner demons to go seek them out in hi-sec and grief them until they either quit or cry, or both.. all the while exclaiming "HARDEN THE **** UP" (which, btw is the exact lyrics of EvE's own theme song produced by CCP on the yoo-tubes)

So, I guess the short answer here is, because they can.

EVE kill shows it.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=17205438

It was a suicide ganker. And the OP was not the only victim.


Only advice I can give is...

- fit some actual tank to your ship... like a shield extender and not a shield booster. In high-sec space you want raw HP, not regeneration.

- open a conversation with your attackers and ask them how they killed you (the mantra of death and loss in EVE is; you either did something wrong or the other guy was better). Be polite. A good attitude and cheekiness in the face of adversity counts for a lot and may convince the guy who just blew you up to help you... maybe even open some doors.

- orbit any rock you are mining, can you are hacking, wreck you are salvaging. Maintaining speed makes it hard for people to land on top of you (for the "perfect" shot), mitigates some incoming damage (moving targets are harder to hit) and makes it harder for people to bump you away.

- A lot of people in EVE don't think, "why do this if it offers me no benefit?"... they instead think, "why SHOULDN'T I do this if I am okay with the consequences?"
I personally don't gank for profitability... I do it for ***** and giggles... and I'm okay with losing a ship and more security status (which effectively "bans" me from high-sec) for the chance of getting a chatlog filled with profanity (because it's funny when someone gets THAT mad about "losing" in a game).