EVE General Discussion

And so what if they pay 15 dollars to "collect rocks and shoot crosses"? People aren't playing this game to please you. Thy're not paying $15 to play how you want them to play and do what you want them to do.

I honestly do not think that moving level 4 missions to low sec will help at all. People who mission in their expensive ships will not risk to get jumped by 10 pirates in low sec, instead they will grind level 3 missions.

Better sollution would be reduce ammount of ISK you get from level 4 high sec missions vs low sec level 4 missions. But yet again, I dont see even that bringing high sec mission runners to low sec at all.

Some people like to run missions. The come online with some friends run two or three missions, socialize, make some plans... in game and out... then log off. They are not compulsively hoarding carebears, as they often time have very little in value... be it ships or ISK. They maybe carebears, but the money is made in trading and manufacturing... not grunt work.

I agree that missions need a rework, but you have different types of players running them. Including PvPers.

Why would anyone do Lvl 4 missions in lowsec? It's easier to make low SP FW alt and farm LP without any serious risk (like already many farmers do).
This will not increase tasty carebear traffic for low sec pirates - people just move into 0.0 under renter's intel channel protection (safest place in EVE). Others will just unsubscribe and this will end well for CCP business.

So long as moon mining gets moved to include High Sec, sure... move the level 4 missions.

Might as well take the risk out of moon mining if extra ganking risk is going to be added to doing Level 4's.

Because, let's be honest... .moving level 4's to Low or Null is all about giving bored Null Seccers more to shoot at... they won't tell you that, but is a frog's ass watertight ? And eventually it would just create even more self-entitled Y-Gen fat and cuddly Nullbears.

Gotta luv that.

And hey, what better way to make sure 95% of the new faction BC's end up in the hands of Null Sec fleets than to make sure the vast majority of LP farming is safely out of the hands of those nasty Empire cuddlebears, right ? What a dastardly plan ! ! ! !



Balance, and all that... not that there's any risk in moon mining these days.... who the Hell wants the Sov Grind to claim any moon, nevermind a valuable one.

Should I get another can of gas ?

There are some good comments in the thread, so I’ll try and address them. I’m paraphrasing but I’ll try my best to summarize.



1. “Pfft, they’ll just move to level 3’s”: And they are more than welcome to do so. But consider the Isk source coming from missions. They essentially come from 3 areas: Bounties/Tags, Mission Reward itself and Salvage. Put together you can get approximately (guessing here) about 10M isk per hour. Level 3’s on the other hand I’m going to guess will be about 1/3 to ¼ of this and as one of the previous posters pointed out, it’s all about ISK per hour versus relative safety. If the mission runners want to stay in the safety of high sec, they should not be rewarded by outsized gains no matter the downstream benefits to fund PvP, etc.

2.“You’ll feed us to Evil Pirates!!!” : Pirates are the primary risk factor in lowsec, no doubt. But make no mistake; they are just as important part to the EVE Universe as mission runners. And while yes you will have to put your gold plated Raven at risk by moving into low-sec that is a choice you make for the rewards you want. Keep an eye on local, make intel channels, join corporations, stay aligned to warp out’s and pay attention! What scares people I think is the fact they’ll have to actually start paying attention and can’t use missions (as much) as an AFK ATM machine. (Level 5’s on the other hand, were designed for groups so they are not quite the same as level 4’s which are the highest tier that can be solo’d)

Another factor that wasn’t mentioned, but one I thought about while driving to work, was the fact that this could also increase the risk, but to the pirates. While the image of feeding plump mission runners to pirates is an enticing one, don’t forget that pirates will attract another kind of player and that is the bounty hunter. While lambs attract wolves, wolves attract hunters looking for pelts. Not ALL of those Raven’s will be as helpless as they appear.

3. “CCP will not risk the wrath of the carebears”: CCP has made wide scale mission running adjustments when it was adversely affecting the economy. The example that comes to mind was the simultaneous removal of Drone minerals and T1 loot that was crashing the mineral market. At that time a tier 1 battleship was going around for 60M, a Tier 2, 85M and Tier 3, 120M. This essentially took out the dedicated miner as a worthwhile profession due to the fact that you had an unlimited source of minerals that was not constrained due to depletion. You could just run missions ad infinitum. Now those prices have increased anywhere from 50-100% due to that source being shut off and the mineral market now being more closely tied to the available ores in the area and not just mission loot. This affected every mission runner and cut down their available profits. Not a huge drop, but a noticeable one never-the-less.

Anyways, keep the flames coming! :)

I have not noticed a shortage of Targets in Low Sec. Why do you want more ?

Most of the ones I speak to make their ISK doing level 5s.

Losec is gai, some abomination form of playing 'just-the-tip', blue ballsy foreplay played between nullsec and hisec where you have to grind sec status ratting to offset pew..

1) Convert losec to nullsec
2) Fix nullsec
3) Get bacon

Most of us dont even want lvl 4s moved to low sec. Just the rewards for high sec toned down so low and null players are rewardedfor taking on a greater risk.