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Who Really Cares About CSM8?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#41 - 2013-04-11 14:03:55 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
Answer to subject: The Candidates


And the 16,000 accounts which cared enough to endorse candidates before the election proper even started

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#42 - 2013-04-11 14:08:56 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
Answer to subject: The Candidates


And the 16,000 accounts which cared enough to endorse candidates before the election proper even started


You mean the 4,000 warm bodies with 3 alt accounts each. /slowclap

I am not an alt of Chribba.
None ofthe Above
#43 - 2013-04-11 14:24:32 UTC
Mr. Orange wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:
Mr. Orange wrote:
Only wide eyed n00bs and newbies get excited about the CSM propaganda dog and pony show.

#Truth

Idea


Except for you. You are obviously too cool to vote. Congratulations, you've won EVE.


As a 2003 EvE vet, I've won a long time ago.

An ex-BoB PR & propaganda officer that had his work published in PC gaming magazines, I think I know a little bit about dog and pony shows...

Btw, I'm not posting to convince anyone that voting for the CSM is bad or useless, just stating my opinion. Some of us just have a larger perspective of what goes on. If you're excited about the CSM and all that it "offers," then by all means do vote and take part in it.



If you won a long time ago, why are you still here? Your stuff can I haz?

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#44 - 2013-04-11 14:27:16 UTC
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
Answer to subject: The Candidates


And the 16,000 accounts which cared enough to endorse candidates before the election proper even started


You mean the 4,000 warm bodies with 3 alt accounts each. /slowclap


You'll notice that I specifically said accounts, not people.

Well done there, Captain Obvious.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#45 - 2013-04-11 14:39:41 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
Answer to subject: The Candidates


And the 16,000 accounts which cared enough to endorse candidates before the election proper even started


You mean the 4,000 warm bodies with 3 alt accounts each. /slowclap


You'll notice that I specifically said accounts, not people.

Well done there, Captain Obvious.


/salute

I am not an alt of Chribba.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#46 - 2013-04-11 14:52:09 UTC  |  Edited by: I Love Boobies
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
The CSM does seem to have an impact on the game, things like bottom up income, doctrines and ship types that enable new players to get involved, and programs that narrow the gap between old and new players and rich and poor ones are important to me because a level playing field creates more opportunities for interaction, and makes it easier to find a challenge.

Corebloodbrothers, Ali Aras, Psychotic monk, and Mangala Solaris all seem to support those ideals.

http://community.eveonline.com/community/csm/candidates/

And remember that because of the new vote tally procedure not voting will result in a Goon dominated CSM. I have no issue with the Goons, I respect their choices and organization, but they are meta gamers and they will push CCP programs that benefit them more than you.


Lol... crying en mass on the forums, canceling accounts, and shooting stuff in Jita gets better results than the CSM. Look at Incarnage. It wasn't the CSM that got it changed. Sure, there was an emergency meeting and stuff, but nothing got changed until the protests. If the CSM really mattered, Incarnage wouldn't have happened to begin with. CCP will do what they think is best for the game and profits until something forces them to change their minds, no matter what the CSM wants. Always have, always will.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-04-11 15:38:51 UTC
Do you really want people who do not care enough about the process to vote?

Its like you want them to vote against you to make your actual vote meaningless.

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Frying Doom
#48 - 2013-04-11 15:59:02 UTC
I think the biggest problem this year is the STV system and the fact a lot of the candidates are similar.

So they seem to have gone out of their way to get on other peoples preferred ballots and that seems to be it.

Jita park is dead compared to last year, there is no debating between candidates, with them arguing as to whos idea is better.

Plus frankly there has been little in game that I have seen, except some bot spam in Jita.

This is with out a doubt the most boring CSM election I have ever seen.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Din Chao
#49 - 2013-04-11 16:30:05 UTC
Not CCP, that's obvious.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#50 - 2013-04-11 16:34:24 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:

Lol... crying en mass on the forums, canceling accounts, and shooting stuff in Jita gets better results than the CSM. Look at Incarnage. It wasn't the CSM that got it changed. Sure, there was an emergency meeting and stuff, but nothing got changed until the protests. If the CSM really mattered, Incarnage wouldn't have happened to begin with. CCP will do what they think is best for the game and profits until something forces them to change their minds, no matter what the CSM wants. Always have, always will.


Of course when players rally in great enough numbers behind an idea or movement it will have weight. I have seen that here and in EQ. That doesn't mean that the CSM has no input or ability. If anything last summers events should give the CSM more weight with future development as management seeks to prevent that sort of thing from happening again.

Always have and always will boobie, lol hurhur.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#51 - 2013-04-11 16:41:44 UTC
So long as "ship skins" include a "penguin suit" selection, I'll be happy with whatever the CSM inflicts on the game. Blink

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Ronan Hunter
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-04-11 16:46:00 UTC
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
Answer to subject: The Candidates


And the 16,000 accounts which cared enough to endorse candidates before the election proper even started


You mean the 4,000 warm bodies with 3 alt accounts each. /slowclap


You'll notice that I specifically said accounts, not people.

Well done there, Captain Obvious.


/salute


Pestalozzi says P
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#53 - 2013-04-13 08:39:01 UTC
Din Chao wrote:
Not CCP, that's obvious.


afraid from the lack of media blitz/marketing of CSM8 elections I have to agree
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#54 - 2013-04-13 09:35:55 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Din Chao wrote:
Not CCP, that's obvious.


afraid from the lack of media blitz/marketing of CSM8 elections I have to agree

Just divide 16,000 by 500,000 to get the CCP care index.

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New Mining Mechanics
Ai Shun
#55 - 2013-04-13 10:56:00 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
Lol... crying en mass on the forums, canceling accounts, and shooting stuff in Jita gets better results than the CSM. Look at Incarnage. It wasn't the CSM that got it changed. Sure, there was an emergency meeting and stuff, but nothing got changed until the protests. If the CSM really mattered, Incarnage wouldn't have happened to begin with. CCP will do what they think is best for the game and profits until something forces them to change their minds, no matter what the CSM wants. Always have, always will.


I'm always pleasantly surprised when I look through the CSM pages on EVElopedia. I don't think it is reasonable to expect the CSM to be akin to the directorship / producers of EVE Online; but they do achieve a reasonable amount for a group of gamers that give up their spare time to discuss and provide feedback on a game they enjoy. Just peruse what is in EVElopedia. And then have a look at the volume of submissions that has been made. Again, not half bad for a bunch of gamers fluffing about in their free time Big smile
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#56 - 2013-04-13 11:07:10 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
CSM in a nutshell:

Produce a whole lot of words, pretend they mean something, go to Iceland, produce some more words, give a few empty promises, release a few low tier token features,, pat each other on the backs, call it a success, claim the CSM is important and if you don't support it with your vote you hate EVE and should just quit.


Hiseccers in a nutshell:

Prejudiced, conservative and ignorant biggots who contribute nothing to the MMO they don't know anything about, but are always happy to post their clueless crap on the forums.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#57 - 2013-04-13 11:13:11 UTC
Roime wrote:

Hiseccers in a nutshell:

Prejudiced, conservative and ignorant biggots who contribute nothing to the MMO they don't know anything about, but are always happy to post their clueless crap on the forums.

You can apply this to almost any group of people.

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New Mining Mechanics
Ai Shun
#58 - 2013-04-13 11:16:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
Abrazzar wrote:
Produce a whole lot of words, pretend they mean something, go to Iceland, produce some more words, give a few empty promises, release a few low tier token features,, pat each other on the backs, call it a success, claim the CSM is important and if you don't support it with your vote you hate EVE and should just quit.


Who has made a bigger contribution to the development of EVE Online? A member of a CSM that achieves a "few low token features "or somebody who hasn't?

Dunno man. I think it's ****** to crap on something that's free, makes even a marginal (Or more substantial; that's open to discussion) improvement to the product and doesn't interfere with our day to day enjoyment of the game.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#59 - 2013-04-13 11:39:26 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Produce a whole lot of words, pretend they mean something, go to Iceland, produce some more words, give a few empty promises, release a few low tier token features,, pat each other on the backs, call it a success, claim the CSM is important and if you don't support it with your vote you hate EVE and should just quit.


Who has made a bigger contribution to the development of EVE Online? A member of a CSM that achieves a "few low token features "or somebody who hasn't?

Dunno man. I think it's ****** to crap on something that's free, makes even a marginal (Or more substantial; that's open to discussion) improvement to the product and doesn't interfere with our day to day enjoyment of the game.

It's the falseness of the whole charade that repulses me. For some it may be acceptable to support delusions of grandeur, but to me it's an abomination.

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New Mining Mechanics
stoicfaux
#60 - 2013-04-13 12:40:57 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Vote, you apathetic bastards!

Costs you virtually nothing but a few moments of your time; could make the difference between a better play experience or even possibly between the life and death of the game you play.

Ok, I've found the voting link buried in a dev blog, buried at the bottom of an email, and in your sig. When CCP actually puts the "go here to vote now!" link in a prominent location, I'll vote.

Seriously, i don't think I've been this annoyed by vendor communication before. Wait, that's not true, when IBM bought Rational, it was absolutely horrific to find documentation and patches for ClearCase (or any other product.)


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