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EVE's ever growing ISK inflation cost rates.

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#81 - 2013-04-11 19:07:46 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
We need more roids.

The spawn rates and sizes of the roids are getting to be too small for the economy in highsec. Every other half decent 0.5 system I've found all have a small fleet of organized miners in corps that regularly wipe several belts clean.

Good. Hopefully that will pressure miners to start moving outwards.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Dave Stark
#82 - 2013-04-11 19:10:05 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
We need more roids.

The spawn rates and sizes of the roids are getting to be too small for the economy in highsec. Every other half decent 0.5 system I've found all have a small fleet of organized miners in corps that regularly wipe several belts clean.

Good. Hopefully that will pressure miners to start moving outwards.


outwards to where?

why would miners ever go anywhere that provides less profit? mining is already poorly paid without being "forced" in to lower income areas of space.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#83 - 2013-04-11 19:11:03 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

What do you mean whats the point of owning it in the first place? The point is whatever you had planned for it. What kind of stupid question is that?


I own X that I plan to use for Y, but I can't afford to lose it. So I guess I should never fly it for now. And if you're going to say, "Then don't buy it if you know you won't be able to afford to lose it" then the "rule" should change to "Don't buy what you can't afford to lose."


It's the same quote with 2 different ways of saying it. Cultural thing, some people say pop, some say soda.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#84 - 2013-04-11 19:11:58 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
We need more roids.

The spawn rates and sizes of the roids are getting to be too small for the economy in highsec. Every other half decent 0.5 system I've found all have a small fleet of organized miners in corps that regularly wipe several belts clean.

Good. Hopefully that will pressure miners to start moving outwards.


outwards to where?
Outwards to 0.6 and up? It's not like there's a shortage of minable systems, and it's not like the income will be that much lower.
Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-04-11 19:12:32 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

What do you mean whats the point of owning it in the first place? The point is whatever you had planned for it. What kind of stupid question is that?


I own X that I plan to use for Y, but I can't afford to lose it. So I guess I should never fly it for now. And if you're going to say, "Then don't buy it if you know you won't be able to afford to lose it" then the "rule" should change to "Don't buy what you can't afford to lose."


It's the same quote with 2 different ways of saying it. Cultural thing, some people say pop, some say soda.


Really, now? Because I always assumed the quote meant to never take it out of hangar until you were sure you could risk it.

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Dave Stark
#86 - 2013-04-11 19:13:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Tippia wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
We need more roids.

The spawn rates and sizes of the roids are getting to be too small for the economy in highsec. Every other half decent 0.5 system I've found all have a small fleet of organized miners in corps that regularly wipe several belts clean.

Good. Hopefully that will pressure miners to start moving outwards.


outwards to where?
Outwards to 0.6 and up? It's not like there's a shortage of minable systems, and it's not like the income will be that much lower.


income between 0.7 and 0.5 is exactly the same, they contain identical ores.

in fact, if you're cherry picking scordite my sources are informing me that everywhere is equally profitable in high security space.
see.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#87 - 2013-04-11 19:16:01 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

What do you mean whats the point of owning it in the first place? The point is whatever you had planned for it. What kind of stupid question is that?


I own X that I plan to use for Y, but I can't afford to lose it. So I guess I should never fly it for now. And if you're going to say, "Then don't buy it if you know you won't be able to afford to lose it" then the "rule" should change to "Don't buy what you can't afford to lose."


It's the same quote with 2 different ways of saying it. Cultural thing, some people say pop, some say soda.


Really, now? Because I always assumed the quote meant to never take it out of hangar until you were sure you could risk it.


Yes.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **
Apocryphal Noise
The Harpooner's Rest
#88 - 2013-04-11 19:17:26 UTC
Ken 1138 wrote:
With the summer expansion not that far away, the EVE economy is going to take a serious hit.

With Ship prices climbing all the time and the ship skill rebalance will make already expensive ships in much higher demand.

What's going to be done to adjust this? Will ship building costs go down to compensate or general money making things in EVE from bounties to rewards go up?

First time I bought a Charon it cost 680 mil, a raven about 100 mil. Ah the good old days Haha.



You do realize NPC bounties is where the majority of ISK enters the economy right? And that it is the main driver of inflation? I'm guessing you didn't. You probably shouldn't use words without know what they mean first. Even then, EVE's economy is extremely inflation resistant for whatever reason. You should probably stop sucking at making isk.
Josef Djugashvilis
#89 - 2013-04-11 19:26:44 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
And some aren't ready even if they can afford it.



Why are you picking on me?Smile

This is not a signature.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2013-04-11 19:38:03 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
[quote=Tippia]

income between 0.7 and 0.5 is exactly the same, they contain identical ores.

in fact, if you're cherry picking scordite my sources are informing me that everywhere is equally profitable in high security space.
see.



You are neglecting 'roid size, lost half cycles, time it takes to move to a new belt, etc.

0.5 is more profitable because the rocks are larger and regrow faster, so fewer half cycles and less repositioning from belt to belt..
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#91 - 2013-04-11 19:43:45 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
outwards to where?

Oh, I don't know, maybe somewhere they can actually find decent asteroids to mine?

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Dave Stark
#92 - 2013-04-11 19:45:21 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
[quote=Tippia]

income between 0.7 and 0.5 is exactly the same, they contain identical ores.

in fact, if you're cherry picking scordite my sources are informing me that everywhere is equally profitable in high security space.
see.



You are neglecting 'roid size, lost half cycles, time it takes to move to a new belt, etc.

0.5 is more profitable because the rocks are larger and regrow faster, so fewer half cycles and less repositioning from belt to belt..





really not as big of a deal as people like to complain about.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2013-04-11 19:45:29 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

What do you mean whats the point of owning it in the first place? The point is whatever you had planned for it. What kind of stupid question is that?


I own X that I plan to use for Y, but I can't afford to lose it. So I guess I should never fly it for now. And if you're going to say, "Then don't buy it if you know you won't be able to afford to lose it" then the "rule" should change to "Don't buy what you can't afford to lose."


It's the same quote with 2 different ways of saying it. Cultural thing, some people say pop, some say soda.


Really, now? Because I always assumed the quote meant to never take it out of hangar until you were sure you could risk it.



Perhaps the quote should be, don't buy it unless you have an alternate means of making ISK, should you lose it.

I knew a guy that sold pretty much everything he had to by a billion ISK faction battleship then pimp it out in another billion isk worth of faction mods. When he got suicide ganked on a gate, he was back to running L3s in a BC for a couple days to get enough ISK to buy and fit a T1 BS.

He would not have been any better off, had he sold everything to buy that ship, then left it sitting in the hanger while he spent a couple days running L3s in a BC to get the ISK to buy and fit a T1 BS.


Same would go for a hulk. Don't spend all your ISK on a 200 million ISK hulk, if losing it means you'll be back mining in a venture. Stay in the retriever until you can buy the hulk without having to sell the retriever.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2013-04-11 21:00:34 UTC
Or he could've just spent a few more days doing whatever he did in something less expensive, yet almost equally as good at the job.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2013-04-11 21:42:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Dave Stark wrote:
mining is already poorly paid ...
Well ...
... too bad most miners (not you!) don't understand that more miners lead to less income ... ^_^
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#96 - 2013-04-11 21:45:32 UTC
LHA Tarawa wrote:
You are neglecting 'roid size, lost half cycles, time it takes to move to a new belt, etc.

0.5 is more profitable because the rocks are larger and regrow faster, so fewer half cycles and less repositioning from belt to belt.
…as long as they aren't being constantly mined to dust by everyone living there. An empty 0.7 gives you far more ore than a crowded 0.5.
Frying Doom
#97 - 2013-04-11 21:57:41 UTC
Now while to High an inflation rate is a bed thing and an isk sink would be good, there is probably a reason why inflation has been allowed to remain this high for this long.

Bounties.

Yep the number 1 isk faucet, is also a reason why it has been left for so so long, as you kill a red x, you get a payout but that payout is fixed, so the longer it is left the less those payout are actually worth.

But personally I feel we have waited long enough and would like to see the inflation rate lowered via a large isk sink. Namely the increase of costs to NPC facilities.

Lets face it if it continues much longer, miners and manufacturers will be fine but anyone collecting bounties or selling items on an NPC buy order will start to feel the pinch, if they are not already doing so. Considering what you can buy for killing a red cross is so much less now than it was 2 years ago.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
cytheras wrath
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#98 - 2013-04-11 22:15:28 UTC
If you want prices to go down, make the crap yourself... the BPO's for all T1 things are still the same price as they were 5or 9 years ago ( not sure about 9 but anyways ).

mine, research, make your own ship. if you want it now, pay the isk... its about the same 'cost' of time invested to aquire the ship yourself via mining > manufacturing > riding then it is to mission > go to market > buy ship

L2EVE
Dave Stark
#99 - 2013-04-11 22:24:38 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
mining is already poorly paid ...
Well ...
... too bad most miners (not you!) don't understand that more miners lead to less income ... ^_^


but you forget, that's irrelevant. mining is only poorly paid in comparison to other activities, but no matter how much mining isk/hour changes miners never feel it. a fact i've pointed out many times to people.
Frying Doom
#100 - 2013-04-11 22:32:00 UTC
cytheras wrath wrote:
If you want prices to go down, make the crap yourself... the BPO's for all T1 things are still the same price as they were 5or 9 years ago ( not sure about 9 but anyways ).

mine, research, make your own ship. if you want it now, pay the isk... its about the same 'cost' of time invested to aquire the ship yourself via mining > manufacturing > riding then it is to mission > go to market > buy ship

L2EVE

Ok so I see you have no idea what inflation is.

Yes the isk sink that is BPOs is still in existence and they only recently got a small price hike.

Inflation is all about purchasing power, now items them selves such as ships will rise and fall on a supply and demand curve due to the amount of miners vs pvp players, but the amount of buying power people have for shooting a red x or the fact that the cost of those BPOs compared to buying power is now laughable.

So here is the easy version for you,big inflation = bad.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!