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Do the T2 ships need any love, HAC's that is?

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Equus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-04-10 20:45:26 UTC
Honest question here, I am just very slowly returning and getting my feet wet, and the more I think about it when I left, at least for minmatar ships, HAC's were seldom used. Lots of fleet stabbers out, no vagabonds, and munin (sp?), I can't remember the last time I have seen one of those. As for other ships, unfortunately my views are lopsided as currently I really only fly minmatar.

Is my viewpoint and experience too limited, or do some of the T2 ships out there need some loving as well?
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-04-10 20:52:35 UTC
Have you ever seen an eagle?
Equus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-04-10 20:55:07 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Have you ever seen an eagle?


Nope, I had to look that one up on the wiki...
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2013-04-10 20:56:25 UTC
The rebalance effort will eventually reach Tech 2 ships. Some HACs are in particular need of love as their Tech 1 variants can do pretty much everything they can do (some even better) but for a fraction of the cost.

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Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#5 - 2013-04-10 21:00:32 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Have you ever seen an eagle?

I actually know of a couple people who like to fly theirs. They're decent ships... just not really much better than a Moa. Nice resists though.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-04-10 21:48:26 UTC
eaaaaglllllllllllllllllle

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-04-10 21:48:59 UTC
yes, they need lots of love almost universally.

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Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-04-10 22:08:06 UTC
Ishtar could even stand a little cpu buff when the balance hammer falls.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-04-10 22:13:22 UTC
Hakaimono wrote:
Ishtar could even stand a little cpu buff when the balance hammer falls.


navy vexor would still be better in almost every way

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Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-04-10 22:40:32 UTC
Yeah as far as I can tell, hacs are just about dead. I mean, you can get almost as much tank and dps out of their t1 counterparts.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-04-10 22:49:12 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Hakaimono wrote:
Ishtar could even stand a little cpu buff when the balance hammer falls.


navy vexor would still be better in almost every way


The new navy vexor get 125 bandwidth, for a full flight of sentry/heavy drones, aside from the stats. It just snatched Ishtar's only saving grace for its poor stats.

This thing looms over both the Ishtar, which has worse stats, and Myrm, which get fewer drones.
Klown Walk
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-04-10 23:04:40 UTC
Zealot is still really good.
Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-04-10 23:08:17 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Have you ever seen an eagle?


It's not the Eagle's fault.

The blame lies squarely with Medium Rails.

As they suck balls.
Ginger Barbarella
#14 - 2013-04-10 23:08:25 UTC
I have sick range on my Cerb heavies... don't you DARE say anything that'll get that nerfed again!!

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#15 - 2013-04-11 00:30:18 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
I have sick range on my Cerb heavies... don't you DARE say anything that'll get that nerfed again!!


That was never the issue with the Cerberus - the tank is. Even you have to admit that as soon as someone sneezes at a Cerberus it goes boom.

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Incindir Mauser
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-04-11 01:06:54 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
I have sick range on my Cerb heavies... don't you DARE say anything that'll get that nerfed again!!


That was never the issue with the Cerberus - the tank is. Even you have to admit that as soon as someone sneezes at a Cerberus it goes boom.


Cerberus isn't fast enough to kite.

Eagle with rails doesn't do squat for damage.

Caldari HAC's are not good. Outstripped by faction and other races HAC's in almost all departments.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#17 - 2013-04-11 05:35:11 UTC
Equus wrote:
Honest question here, I am just very slowly returning and getting my feet wet, and the more I think about it when I left, at least for minmatar ships, HAC's were seldom used. Lots of fleet stabbers out, no vagabonds, and munin (sp?), I can't remember the last time I have seen one of those. As for other ships, unfortunately my views are lopsided as currently I really only fly minmatar.

Is my viewpoint and experience too limited, or do some of the T2 ships out there need some loving as well?



Yes, the ship balancing team have already confirmed that the project will continue through the T2 ship range. They're just doing the T1 ships first.

HACs are probably the most urgent case.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2013-04-11 05:44:13 UTC
Incindir Mauser wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
I have sick range on my Cerb heavies... don't you DARE say anything that'll get that nerfed again!!


That was never the issue with the Cerberus - the tank is. Even you have to admit that as soon as someone sneezes at a Cerberus it goes boom.


Cerberus isn't fast enough to kite.

Eagle with rails doesn't do squat for damage.

Caldari HAC's are not good. Outstripped by faction and other races HAC's in almost all departments.


The problem with Caldari HACs is that the "sniper HAC" role no longer exists. There is nothing I can imagine the Eagle doing as a Sniper that the Naga won't always be doing much better. The Eagle needs a completely new role other than "180km paint-scratcher". I personally favour turning it into a Caldari version of the Deimos: make it into a fast, agile, high DPS burn'n'run blaster platform.

The Cerb has a kind of micro-niche as a long range anti-EW ship, but EW isn't really common enough to make it worthwhile. CCP could build on this and give it a proper general anti-support role with dropping the kinetic damage for a precision bonus, and giving it absurdly good sensors (Say 40 sensor strength, 225km base lock range) to make it "resistant" to ECM & damps.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#19 - 2013-04-11 08:35:47 UTC
The HACs will be getting looked at at some point, as they stand most if not all need some sort of buff.

The Zealot is really good though.
Evangeli Duvall
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-04-11 17:58:20 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
The Zealot is really good though.


That's good to hear. It's my current skill training goal.
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