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[Odyssey] Navy Battlecruisers

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#41 - 2013-04-10 18:01:12 UTC
Just responding to the faction BCs at the moment.

Meh.


Totally underwhelming. The navy drake actually takes a nerf in DPS unless you're firing non-scourge missiles at small targets, and takes a nerf in tank without the resist bonus.

Meet the navy hurricane, same as the old hurricane. Creative.

Harbinger - solid upgrade, congrats.

Brutix - also an improvement.

But for the cost? 150M isk premium on top of the base hull, at minimum? Maybe if they had Tech II resist profiles too.



Pass.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#42 - 2013-04-10 18:02:55 UTC
May Wanderdriven wrote:
Catherine Laartii wrote:
May Wanderdriven wrote:
Why on earth there is no cap bonus for the harbinger navy? don't you guys know that cap is life? what's wrong with you? why do you insist of ruining the Amarr?


Pretty sure that with the recent ship rebalances for amarr that CCP finally understood that the only sensible, straighforward way to fix amarr is to half the cap usage on the guns, instead of, you know, screwing over the ships by giving them bonuses to allow them to use the actual laser weapon in question.

Or, more likely, they could just be rolling full steam ahead without even considering that and they'll all become useless hulks with the exception of the drone/neut boats.


If they are doing that, then by all means, do it. But the problem with that is that the amarr may be losing it's diversity.
Still it's far less worse than having no cap AT ALL. I'll want to hear from CCP about it to believe it though.

Errr.... You people do realize that this Navy Harb got an additional mid slot and more grid, right? So you can fit a cap booster in addition to your old fit. And last I checked, cap booster > no booster in PvP. So this is much much better than the cap bonus. But I'm sure if you whine and cry enough they can swap the tracking bonus for your old cap bonus, and then you can fit a tracking computer in the mid to get your tracking... :-/

Back in the day Ivy League actually taught players not to be complete idiots. What happened?
AspiB'elt
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
#43 - 2013-04-10 18:03:09 UTC
my godness ccp

please

harbinger 4 m / 7 low
brutix 5m / 6 low

Amarr slot but range and tank
gallente quick less tank and heavy dps in very short range
Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-04-10 18:06:06 UTC
Can't see how the regular LP store offer can stay competitive. Why add it at all?
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#45 - 2013-04-10 18:06:27 UTC
These seem fair but not op. Cant wait to see that serpentis myrmidon u got planned ;-)
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#46 - 2013-04-10 18:08:28 UTC
Garbage

nom nom
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#47 - 2013-04-10 18:09:23 UTC
I had a big smile when I saw Harbinger Navy Issue. However, I was never a fan of making destroyer or battlecruiser navy issue. Seems like to me that battlecruisers were ment for cost and overall preformance. Adding more ships is always good thing and I suppose if you introduce these I must join factional warfare and role play my last days away in this game.

Anyway. I neither approve or disapprove.


- killz

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Klown Walk
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-04-10 18:11:36 UTC
Why would anyone use the standard hurricane over the navy one.
Aliventi
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#49 - 2013-04-10 18:13:10 UTC
This Navy drake is going to be so be OP. No longer restricted to just kinetic damage. Velocity bonus (Kiting HAM drake anyone?) and excellent damage projection against smaller targets? Simply beyond winning.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#50 - 2013-04-10 18:15:51 UTC
I see it differently, now we have two versions of the drake that are not worth flying.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Arnst Atram
Downgraded Avengers
Hard Knocks Citizens
#51 - 2013-04-10 18:22:03 UTC
Quote:
BRUTIX NAVY ISSUE
...
• Defense (shields / armor / hull): 5250 / 6750 / 7125
...


But... Why?Shocked
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#52 - 2013-04-10 18:23:34 UTC
Why do we need these?
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#53 - 2013-04-10 18:24:06 UTC
Aliventi wrote:
This Navy drake is going to be so be OP. No longer restricted to just kinetic damage. Velocity bonus (Kiting HAM drake anyone?) and excellent damage projection against smaller targets? Simply beyond winning.


Congrats, you'll have a drake that can kill cruisers and perhaps take on frigates.

But last time I checked, 8 launchers with no bonus is lower DPS than 6 launchers with 50% bonus when using the correct ammo.

Hurray, you can use EM/explosive ammo now, and still do less DPS than the recently nerfed drakes.

I'm missing the OP part....

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Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#54 - 2013-04-10 18:24:31 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
I see it differently, now we have two versions of the drake that are not worth flying.


Well then you are blind. The Drake does seem to be very strong and will do signif more damage than the prenerf Drake to frigates. Which means nano-Drake is back with a vengeance. The Harbinger made out well too. Only the Brutix and Hurricane are terribub. CCP has it out for Minmatar. Still! I do not approve or disapprove of these ships.


- killz

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#55 - 2013-04-10 18:28:35 UTC
Mioelnir wrote:
Can't see how the regular LP store offer can stay competitive. Why add it at all?


The regular LP stores have never been a good way to get ships. This is nothing new.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#56 - 2013-04-10 18:32:20 UTC
Harby 6/5/7
Brutix 7/5/6

And roll back Mega to 8/5/6

And CCP u ll hit THE spot.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
jonnykefka
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#57 - 2013-04-10 18:35:18 UTC
This is relevant to my interests. I am especially fond of the Harby Navy, I can think of at least two very fun fits off the top of my head. Make that three. Yesss, get this on sisi please. I have exciting plans for that powergrid.

Moderately worried about cost. Is the 10x isk cost difference for the BPC real or a typo? Which one is the real cost? 10m for a one-run BPC seems sane, 100m doesn't.
Sofia Wolf
Ubuntu Inc.
The Fourth District
#58 - 2013-04-10 18:36:57 UTC
CCP Ytterbium wrote:

HURRICANE FLEET ISSUE

Over its regular version, this ship has 8 high slots, two utility slots, slightly more mobility and fittings, while the role itself doesn’t change. Kind of reminds us of something, but what could that be? Memory must be playing tricks on us.
• Minmatar Battlecruiser skill bonuses: +5% to medium projectile damage and 5% bonus to medium projectile rate of fire per level
• Slot layout: 8 H, 4 M, 6 L, 6 turrets, 3 launchers
• Fittings: 1235 PWG, 420 CPU
• Defense (shields / armor / hull): 6375 / 6750 / 5250
• Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 2250 / 592 s / 3.8
• Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 165 / 0.704 / 12500000 / 12.2 s
• Drones (bandwidth / bay): 30 / 30
• Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km / 220 / 6
• Sensor strength: 20 Ladar
• Signature radius: 250


If you going make it an old hurricane ad lest give us back power supply of old hurricane! Full 1350 power grid please!

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Minkert
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2013-04-10 18:54:35 UTC
Shouldn't Drake bonus say '5% reduction to explosion radius/ lvl' it says says bonus... which makes it LESS effective against smaller craft...
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#60 - 2013-04-10 18:55:43 UTC
Dat Myrmidon.