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Tjak Erattic
Funky Monkey Business
#1 - 2013-04-10 10:35:26 UTC
After looking over the candidates for CSM... why does no one seem to want to represent LowSec.

Ok let the flaming commence as I know 75% of Eve seem to think all that matters is Wormhole, 0.0 and High Sec space.
Why is LowSec looked on as the evil stepchild of Eve.

Some of us love to live there, fight there, explore there. All you Worm Hole and High Sec candidates will concentrate on exactly that.. Wormhole and High Sec... and you won't be happy until Low Sec is gone.

Sick of reading posts about how high sec needs to be more secure for the casual player, how null needs to be made more profitable, how wormhole space needs changing.


Yes I agree. High sec needs to be secure to help the new player have an introduction to the game. I mean what sort of player retention would we have if all new players were constantly ganked....

However missions need to be made Risk vs Reward.

Missions in high sec is practically zero risk. Plexing in high sec is practically zero risk. The rewards should match that risk.
Missions in low sec is high risk... for example an L4 mission in high sec should NOT have the same reward scale as an L4 in low sec.... currently they do.

There is a progression of sorts with a player developing from high sec/null sec/worm hole and Low Sec doesn't seem to be part of it.

Don't forget the huge player numbers that live,fight, explore and have some of the greatest fun in low sec.
Odyssey seems to be addressing a few of those Risk vs Reward features but the comments from 90% of the new CSM candidates worry me.

EVE ISN'T JUST WORMHOLE/NULL
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-04-10 12:00:55 UTC
Dunno, ask other lowsec people why they didn't run? CCP doesn't choose the candidates, and the bar for running is really low (be over 21, have passport that lets you travel to Iceland, get 200 endorsements to end up on final ballot).

It's not exactly the rest of the council or CCP's fault that nobody from lowsec (aside from Marc Scaurus, who pulled out for personal reasons) stepped up to run vOv

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-04-10 14:23:01 UTC
because tumbleweeds and cactuses can't vote
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#4 - 2013-04-10 20:07:10 UTC
Tjak Erattic wrote:

EVE ISN'T JUST WORMHOLE/NULL


Yeah, but that can change, and the next null dominated CSM will help make it so EVE is just wh/null.

Don't lose hope yet.

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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2013-04-10 23:23:07 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Tjak Erattic wrote:

EVE ISN'T JUST WORMHOLE/NULL


Yeah, but that can change, and the next null dominated CSM will help make it so EVE is just wh/null.

Don't lose hope yet.

That's a beautiful dream, but I dont think we'll live to see the Mountain

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#6 - 2013-04-10 23:40:46 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Tjak Erattic wrote:

EVE ISN'T JUST WORMHOLE/NULL


Yeah, but that can change, and the next null dominated CSM will help make it so EVE is just wh/null.

Don't lose hope yet.

That's a beautiful dream, but I don't think we'll live to see the Mountain


Yeah, but if you hope enough, the mountain will come to you.

It is a hard lift though, and sometimes I still have my doubts.

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Frying Doom
#7 - 2013-04-11 00:33:12 UTC
Lo-sec just had a massive amount of work done on it with FW, thanks to Hans and the rest of that community.

And that leaves the rest of lo-sec and the question.

What the hell is lo-sec for, besides FW?

And how do you make it so more people want to use it?

If you can answer these, maybe next year you should run for the CSM.

Until then we will just have to live the dream of a Null / WH dominated CSM.

The bonus is of course that this will also show that the STV system was a huge mistake, oh and Null might actually get fixed, along with POSs.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#8 - 2013-04-11 00:48:39 UTC  |  Edited by: rodyas
Frying Doom wrote:

The bonus is of course that this will also show that the STV system was a huge mistake, oh and Null might actually get fixed, along with POSs.


As much as we all love the idea of reaching the mountain. I would be surprised if null got fixed or so. You don't have to be on the CSM to come up with good ideas, and so far I haven't really heard any about fixing null.

Especially with Odyssey and what that is looking like.

It will most likely just be a null CSM, that shows the glory of living in null, no more no less.

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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2013-04-12 17:48:47 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
The bonus is of course that this will also show that the STV system was a huge mistake, oh and Null might actually get fixed, along with POSs.

A huge mistake that successfully escorts two of the four most problematic legacy problems into Fixedville? Oh i get it, it's like where you say the opposite..

PS: Dont worry, we'll get one and half of the other two

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#10 - 2013-04-13 05:22:47 UTC  |  Edited by: rodyas
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
into Fixedville?


Ya mean into cockteaseville.



Unless ya mean small changes for benefits, I can see some of that coming.

But you are on CSM, does CCP see POSes and null and the other two, the same way they see armor tanking?

Afraid to do a change to it that will make them overpowered? But don't mind making shields overpowered, as long as it is different and new?

Wondering if that view will hinder progress on null and POSes, hard to change them without making them overpowered, so its only small things but still leave other secs better.

Or they gonna go with some overpowered idea, that is unique so no amount of trolling will make them change it?

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Frying Doom
#11 - 2013-04-13 05:31:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
The bonus is of course that this will also show that the STV system was a huge mistake, oh and Null might actually get fixed, along with POSs.

A huge mistake that successfully escorts two of the four most problematic legacy problems into Fixedville? Oh i get it, it's like where you say the opposite..

PS: Dont worry, we'll get one and half of the other two

Which problems were these?
Because it sure as hell wasn't voter apathy or wasted votes.

The fact that people can no longer abstain is meaning they are just not voting, plus all the people who find it too difficult to find 5 or more people they want to vote for, are not voting. Now those are really wasted votes. Just because the new system can not count them, does not make them any less wasted.

Out of curiosity what were these other 2?

Were they, insufficient Null sec representation on the CSM, or lack of people stating that they will not vote? If it was, well you nailed them.

But in seriousness the biggest problem as discussed by players in both of those voting reform threads, was voter apathy. The STV has increased this, if the forums are anything to go by.

So you you can keep your smelly present.

As I said CSM8s first job is going to have to be the white paper and the voting system, because this one drives players away from voting.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!