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ABC vs ABS

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Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
High Bear Nation.
#1 - 2013-04-09 20:43:51 UTC
ok,
i am a fan of all the ships and their roles.
but, it isnt fair or balanced (glass cannon or not). you have 2 stout bc and then one really quick one with massive fire power.

this should be carrier to the bs line. the attack bs should be alot more agil and speedy than it is now or fortold to be in the summer expansion. it should also have better fire power than all bs or smaller craft (except the marauder when balancing comes out for them). to have a bs with the same firepower as a bc, but 1/10 the mobility isnt following a linear progression.

the attack bs should have the mass of the standard bc (use harby for this example) with the bs thruster. it should have more fire power than what it has now. you can achieve this by giving it 6 turrets/launchers at 2x weapon damage.
this would be for the attack class only. give them something folks would want to fly that cannot be accomplished by a normal abc.
the abc ammounts to 10 large guns. this attack bs ammounts to 12 large weapons.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2013-04-09 22:00:05 UTC
What?
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#3 - 2013-04-09 22:35:25 UTC
Battleships are bigger and have more ehp instead of mobility. Thats the trade off.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-04-09 22:48:05 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Battleships are bigger and have more ehp instead of mobility. Thats the trade off.



basically


want gank not alot of tank...tier 3 bc. Have their place.


then you have the (and soon to be redone) BS' that have some meat on their bones.

One of these you will want when hitting a pos with gunners and fleet coming to save it. BS a real good choice here. they will live longer.



Or.... its in game already. Want a "fast attack" bs mach says hi. Want run and gun on a bs frame, its gonna cost you some isk.

Or...take the normal bs', mix in loki booster, nano and speed/agility rigs to put that boat on a diet, and a set of snakes. Watch the speed stat go up up up lol.
Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
High Bear Nation.
#5 - 2013-04-09 22:49:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mole Guy
sorry, i was in a rush.

what i was getting at, was to mimick the bc line, there are 2 bc and 1 attack bc. the attack bc does every bit as much damage as a normal attack bs.

in the bs line, we have the "so called" attack bs which has the same firepower of an attack bc.
other than fleet engagements, why would anyone fly an attack bs? its slow and bulky with the same firepower as a smaller class of ship.

now, if we follow the same pattern as whats layed out before us, the attack bs would have substantially more fire power than its brotheren and WAY more than a lower class (bc) of ships all together.

since we only have 8 slots, the only thing we can do is multiply the damage output on the attack bs. the abc gets 8 large plus 25% damage which = 10 large weapons. we can do 8 large on the attack bs but a higher damage output, or use less weapons and have an even larger damage modifier.

if we went with 8 large weapons @ 5% per level, its the = to 10 guns.
8 large @ 7.5% per level= 11 guns
8 large at 10% per level = 12 guns.

we can juggle numbers all day, point is, i am saying we need something a tad more powerful than a bc.
ITS A BATTLESHIP for christs sake. the yamimoto in WWII was the most fearsum thing on the water because of its 18" cannons, followed by our bs's and their 15" guns. there was NO BATTLECRUISE IN HISTORY that matched the fire power of the mighty mo'. and we had 4 of them. we had other battleships that had fire power and we had bc that dished out almost as much....but there should be a set of ships (1 per race) that brings the pain...
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-04-09 23:29:12 UTC
Mole Guy wrote:
in the bs line, we have a "so called" attack bs which has the same firepower of a bc.
other than fleet engagements, why would anyone fly an attack bs? its slow and bulky with the same firepower as a smaller class of ship....



they can be in a situation where hp/ehp is needed more over raw power and/or speed.


Again my pos bash mentioned above. Naga's are great for run and gun ambush/gank tactic attacks. However they can try to speed tank (as well as fit 1 or 2 lse for an actual tank) several guns on a death star and the battery of guns of say a 100 man defence fleet all they want but at some point they will go boom. Here our caldari pilot would be better off in rokh.

A BS can boom as well but they live generally a lot longer to actually apply damage longer. Or the added hp/ehp gives them the chance to gtfo and not get blown up. Rokh I have cleared out from a primary call made on me. Lots of dps coming in but I got the warp out. Naga in the same situation would be popping quick in much less time.


TL;DR....gank party not seeing being a long drawn out affair, tier 3 bc. Expecting a meat grinder tier 3 BS.


Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
High Bear Nation.
#7 - 2013-04-10 13:56:52 UTC
im not going to take credit for the mega change, but that was my exact suggestion.
the brawler gets 7 guns with a 10% damage bonus instead of 8 @ 5%.
that give 10.5 large guns as opposed to the normal 10 worth of damage. not a big change, but cap savings is there, ammo savings.....
a little different than the norm, and if they did this to all the attack ships, it would be kewl.
more gank, less tank.

Velicitia
XS Tech
#8 - 2013-04-10 14:55:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Mole Guy wrote:

we can juggle numbers all day, point is, i am saying we need something a tad more powerful than a bc.
ITS A BATTLESHIP for christs sake. the yamimoto in WWII was the most fearsum thing on the water because of its 18" cannons, followed by our bs's and their 15" guns. there was NO BATTLECRUISE IN HISTORY that matched the fire power of the mighty mo'. and we had 4 of them. we had other battleships that had fire power and we had bc that dished out almost as much....but there should be a set of ships (1 per race) that brings the pain...


point of interest, the Yamoto was a dreadnought. It just happens that all large battleships built after about 1905 until the demise of battleships in the 1940s (with the end of WWII and the advent of the aircraft carrier) were primarily descendants of the original HMS Dreadnought design philosophy.

Granted the Japanese actually beat the British to laying the first "dreadnought" battleship by a few months, but history is written by the victor and all that.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
High Bear Nation.
#9 - 2013-04-10 15:12:56 UTC
yeah, it was a dread, but we already have dreads here and i know they wouldnt wanna change the name.

we need another class above the bs but not quite into caps. with the rebalance, that wont happen, but a destroyer/bc type vessle above a bs would be awesome.
about 60 m/s or so.. =)