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Low Sec Missioning and being scanned down
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Pearlescent Blue
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-04-09 09:17:27 UTC
I know it is impossible to have a unscannable ship but I was wondering if there is a decent tengu missioning fit that is very hard or at least very annoying to scan down? I found an old tengu fit but dont know if it is worth it at all. Any advice would be appreciate it.

Gravimetric Backup Array II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System x3

ECCM - Gravimetric II x2
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
10MN Afterburner II
Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field x2

Heavy Missile Launcher II, x6

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II x2
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Hulk Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-04-09 11:37:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Hulk Miner
As being unprobable is now defunkt due to a nerf, all you can do is try and make it hard so that only an elite scanner has a chance. I will post my fit that os used when running low sec missoons and is an all t2 fit. You dont need a bling fit for low sec.
When i get in from work that is
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-04-09 11:50:06 UTC
they can just scan a wreck in your general vicinity, no need to get a lock on your actual ship.

If you want to mission in low sec I have only one piece of advice: don't do it in a border system, find one deep in low sec with little traffic.

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Hulk Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-04-09 11:56:52 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
they can just scan a wreck in your general vicinity, no need to get a lock on your actual ship.

If you want to mission in low sec I have only one piece of advice: don't do it in a border system, find one deep in low sec with little traffic.


I was not aware that they could scan down wrecks now. When did that change?
Pearlescent Blue
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-04-09 12:07:50 UTC
Hulk Miner wrote:
As being unprobable is now defunkt due to a nerf, all you can do is try and make it hard so that only an elite scanner has a chance. I will post my fit that os used when running low sec missoons and is an all t2 fit. You dont need a bling fit for low sec.
When i get in from work that is


that would be great!
Pearlescent Blue
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-04-09 12:08:42 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
they can just scan a wreck in your general vicinity, no need to get a lock on your actual ship.

If you want to mission in low sec I have only one piece of advice: don't do it in a border system, find one deep in low sec with little traffic.



Will keep that in mind!! Cool
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-04-09 12:57:53 UTC
Hulk Miner wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
they can just scan a wreck in your general vicinity, no need to get a lock on your actual ship.

If you want to mission in low sec I have only one piece of advice: don't do it in a border system, find one deep in low sec with little traffic.


I was not aware that they could scan down wrecks now. When did that change?


Excuse me, wasn't being clear enough:

You can d-scan to gain general direction and distance and then set probes outside of d-scan range to pinpoint the exact location. All of this unknown to anyone else except for the fact you are in local

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Sante Ixnay
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-04-09 15:08:27 UTC
I've got two piggyback questions that relate to scanning in general if not to Tengus in particular:

On my last go-around with this game, there was a penalty to scanning ships down in deadspace--I think it may have been twice as difficult. Anyway, is this mechanic still around?

Second, one of the key ways probers would find low sig ships was by scanning down the target's drones. This was extremely easy, particularly when the drones' sigs bloomed from using their MWDs. Has this been changed at all? If not, is the tactic obsolete for other reasons? (e.g., because probing for ships is so much simpler now.)
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-04-09 15:15:57 UTC
tengu has no drones, but other than that you're quite correct.

The first part I have no idea.

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Hulk Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-04-09 17:27:13 UTC
Okies, I have a few tengus setup that I use when I run in low sec, all of them T2 which helps on costs if you ever get caught. I noticed your fit can to just short of 2 billion isk, these run at the 550 million isk mark. see below for the EFT warrior details. Stats are based on my skills, yours may vary.

1st setup is my non cloaky fitted with an MWD which is only run on burst when needed to minimise your signature lighting up.
Cap = Stable
Tank = 527 uniform / 777 Guristas
Dps = 704
Sig = 159
Grav Strength = 218

[Tengu, low sec no cloak]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Gravimetric Backup Array II
Gravimetric Backup Array II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Microwarpdrive II
ECCM - Gravimetric II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
ECCM - Gravimetric II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


2nd setup I use is my standard T2 cloaky which gimps the DPS.

Cap = Stable
Tank = 527 uniform / 777 Guristas
Dps = 469
Sig = 159
Grav Strength = 192

[Tengu, low sec]
Ballistic Control System II
Gravimetric Backup Array II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II
ECCM - Gravimetric II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
ECCM - Gravimetric II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Final setup is my low sec tengu with drones I use on rare occasions. With a 50m3 drone bay you can have a set of light attack drones and also a set of ecm.

Cap = Stable
Tank = 527 uniform / 777 Guristas
Dps = 581 / with drones
Sig = 159
Grav Strength = 192

[Tengu, low sec no cloak drones]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Gravimetric Backup Array II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II
ECCM - Gravimetric II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
ECCM - Gravimetric II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Rifling Launcher Pattern
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


So far since the unprobable nerf I have never been caught but always have dscan spammed to be sure.

Play about with these fits and drop in faction / deadspace or officer mods to suit.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#11 - 2013-04-09 20:04:40 UTC
Sante Ixnay wrote:
I've got two piggyback questions that relate to scanning in general if not to Tengus in particular:

On my last go-around with this game, there was a penalty to scanning ships down in deadspace--I think it may have been twice as difficult. Anyway, is this mechanic still around?


It's not. Things in deadspace are just as easy to scan as anywhere else. The advantage of not being able to warp directly to the location is still intact though; a hit will still land a prober at your gate, not right on top of you.

Sante Ixnay wrote:
Second, one of the key ways probers would find low sig ships was by scanning down the target's drones. This was extremely easy, particularly when the drones' sigs bloomed from using their MWDs. Has this been changed at all? If not, is the tactic obsolete for other reasons? (e.g., because probing for ships is so much simpler now.)


Drones are still incredibly easy to probe. But yeah, this doesn't apply to most Tengus, as the offensive sub that grants drones doesn't get full missile bonuses. It does contraindicate Gilas, Protei, and Ishtars under some circumstances though.
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#12 - 2013-04-09 21:54:17 UTC
It's still really ******* hard to probe down 'unscannable' tengus, even with Virtues, prospecter, and max skills. There is certainly no way to do it with probes outside of d-scan range. Even with narrowing down the site to within .25au's via bming and dscan, I've never gotten a tengu on the first scan cycle. If you have decent lowsec instincts and hit d-scan often, you'll easily get to see probes on scan before they get a hit, barring extreme luck on the probers part.
snake03
#13 - 2013-04-09 22:15:35 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
they can just scan a wreck in your general vicinity, no need to get a lock on your actual ship.

If you want to mission in low sec I have only one piece of advice: don't do it in a border system, find one deep in low sec with little traffic.




Only way to scan wrecks is by using directional scanner and then narrowing it down to a 5 degree scan and flying to it in a fast ship... You would have to be extremely unlucky to get caught by someone hunting you in this manner... You should have the mission completed before they arrived in their speed fit frig......

I'm just a modern day caveman in search of a bigger club.
snake03
#14 - 2013-04-09 22:17:51 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
tengu has no drones, but other than that you're quite correct.

The first part I have no idea.



Hmm, funny...I guess I was dreaming when I fit that tengu sub system that gives a drone bay to the tengu...

DO YOU EVEN PLAY EVE DUDE??? STOP FOOKING POSTING BAD INFO JASKARSE.

THAT'S TWO BACK O BACK POSTS BY U THAT WERE DEAD WRONG

I'm just a modern day caveman in search of a bigger club.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-04-09 23:38:40 UTC
snake03 wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
tengu has no drones, but other than that you're quite correct.

The first part I have no idea.



Hmm, funny...I guess I was dreaming when I fit that tengu sub system that gives a drone bay to the tengu...

DO YOU EVEN PLAY EVE DUDE??? STOP FOOKING POSTING BAD INFO JASKARSE.

THAT'S TWO BACK O BACK POSTS BY U THAT WERE DEAD WRONG


I will clarify: anyone who knows how to fly a tengu doesn't use drones.

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Eternity Imortal
Gate of Demon
#16 - 2013-04-10 00:52:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternity Imortal
I'm just lol at the unscannable approch.

why bother scan your ship down?

instead prober can scan the site down.

1. locate the planet you run sites in. (usually within 2au of planet)
2. launch combat probe
3. scan, even if you are not 100% , your site will be 100% by just switch scan type (combat probe can also scan down site, up to 0.06% signal strength). ASFAIK, all valuable sites are 0.06 and up category except couple 0.03 radar sites.

BTW, any decent prober can scan down a 0.06 site with even unbonused ship. (plus some cheap implant and rig)
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-04-10 01:08:44 UTC
Eternity Imortal wrote:
I'm just lol at the unscannable approch.

why bother scan your ship down?

instead prober can scan the site down.

1. locate the planet you run sites in. (usually within 2au of planet)
2. launch combat probe
3. scan, even if you are not 100% , your site will be 100% by just switch scan type (combat probe can also scan down site, up to 0.06% signal strength). ASFAIK, all valuable sites are 0.06 and up category except couple 0.03 radar sites.

BTW, any decent prober can scan down a 0.06 site with even unbonused ship. (plus some cheap implant and rig)


Except the topic is low sec missions. Let me know how much success you have scanning down someone's mission dead space pocket.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-04-10 01:14:39 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Eternity Imortal wrote:
I'm just lol at the unscannable approch.

why bother scan your ship down?

instead prober can scan the site down.

1. locate the planet you run sites in. (usually within 2au of planet)
2. launch combat probe
3. scan, even if you are not 100% , your site will be 100% by just switch scan type (combat probe can also scan down site, up to 0.06% signal strength). ASFAIK, all valuable sites are 0.06 and up category except couple 0.03 radar sites.

BTW, any decent prober can scan down a 0.06 site with even unbonused ship. (plus some cheap implant and rig)


Except the topic is low sec missions. Let me know how much success you have scanning down someone's mission dead space pocket.


ouch XD

he got you there

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C0mbat W0mbat
Ares Macro Technology
#19 - 2013-04-10 09:20:38 UTC
DScan is what? 15 AU?
So if the mission runner is defensively DScanning, you would have to place your probes farther away than that
So your probes would need to run at at least 16AU radius

Would be nice to have some chart showing at what probe scan range you can scan down which ships, according to the Sensor strength/signature radius value.
I still fly previously unscan tengu in low sec and when I see sisters on scan, i just set dscan range down to 1 AU and taunt them in local... and stay in the mission.
Noone ever bother to scan down to that level afterwards :)
If probes would show within one AU, THEN i would get worried

As i am also running in BS and BC, having above mentioned chart would be intersting.

But other than that, without ppl scanning for me, low sec would be like highsec - boring...
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-04-10 13:41:04 UTC
yeah but once he gets a lock on something he can just camp your gate and you're forced to find another mission which is a huge waste of time.

Best way to win a conflict in this case is avoiding it. Find a dead back pocket system with an agent and keep a low profile.

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