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R.I.P ORCA?

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Haulie Berry
#41 - 2013-04-08 20:23:11 UTC
What's really confusing to me is how you came up with 4 + orca being the tipping point. I could understand you believing 3 hulks is better than 2 + orca.

Thinking you need 4 before it becomes efficient is way off base, though.

At 3 + orca you're at 10,227.
4 hulks is WAY behind at that point, at 9128.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#42 - 2013-04-08 20:24:04 UTC
celebro wrote:
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
celebro wrote:
Orca is still very useful ship, although I would agree that the mack' s ore hold and hulk fleet role now has made it imbalanced in its role:


Changes needed:


-Orca:

Orehold 100,000m3

+1 low slot

Remove mining foreman link for cap (useless)

Add Mining forman link- Automated laser deactivation upon roid depletion Big smile


Hulk/coveter:

Role bonus: 5% fleet only yield increase.



Shameful attempt to ask for even more buffs to an otherwise already great ship ^ :)

And feel lucky that your getting all of this for only a mere 14 days training now unlike those of us who did the hard slog to train it up under the current regime.

The cheek of these young ones complaining, they don't know how easy they have it these days. :)


lol young ones, check when I joined eve.. trololol 3/4 hulk should be better than a 3/4 macks in fleet . You know you get a fleet bonus for macks in fleet, why?


The comment above was tongue in cheek. And also the maths is pretty clear with the Orca, it is more than good enough. Giving it even more cargo capacity will mean that it will rival even freighters, and all for a mere 14 days training. In my opinion it needs a nerf, or ideally skill reqs need to be increased as 14 days is far to easy to get into such a powerful ship.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-04-08 20:27:04 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
The comment above was tongue in cheek. And also the maths is pretty clear with the Orca, it is more than good enough. Giving it even more cargo capacity will mean that it will rival even freighters, and all for a mere 14 days training. In my opinion it needs a nerf, or ideally skill reqs need to be increased as 14 days is far to easy to get into such a powerful ship.


I think it should require advanced spaceship command as a prereq.

/stealth buff ftw
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#44 - 2013-04-08 20:27:32 UTC
Fractal Muse wrote:
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Gallamoth Sickle wrote:

no im not cause what your doing in your math is figuring implants and mining directer on the orca side but not on the hulk side well a hulk pilot can give some of those same basic leader boosts to his squad that your figurering for orca and not hulk squad leader so your still wrong and the fact that you cant type out the math equation to prove it makes me think your more wrong than you know


Geez, do you actually mine at all? Of course the Orca pilot is going to have the mining foreman link, kind of defeats the whole purpose of having the fleet boosts if you don't use the relevant implant and only train your fleet skills to level 1.

Also the effect of the mining link implant far exceeds the benefit of even every hulk pilot in the fleet fitted with the most expensive mining implants.

He's trolling you pretty good though. So, yeah, he mines. :)


Someone who has difficulty differentiating between trolling and genuine tears ^ :)

In fact, if I was the OP right now I would probably play the trolling card, as its the only way he's going to get out of this hole he has dug himself without humiliating himself further.
Dave Stark
#45 - 2013-04-08 20:29:01 UTC
14 days is nice to have access to the functions the hull provides, but it's not until you put in a few months more training does it really shine at it's intended role.
Haseo Antares
Production N Destruction INC.
F O R M I C I D A E
#46 - 2013-04-08 20:29:13 UTC
I hear certain systems like old man star and tama give out mining bonuses.

We currently have the world's greatest linguists and scientists trying to decode what you just said.
Haulie Berry
#47 - 2013-04-08 20:29:46 UTC
Oh, also, those numbers were with T2 medium drone mining aug rigs.

The mining drones are the only thing that DON'T enjoy a bonus from the Orca - so my configuration was optimized for the benefit of YOUR position, OP.
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#48 - 2013-04-08 20:29:47 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Fractal Muse wrote:
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Gallamoth Sickle wrote:

no im not cause what your doing in your math is figuring implants and mining directer on the orca side but not on the hulk side well a hulk pilot can give some of those same basic leader boosts to his squad that your figurering for orca and not hulk squad leader so your still wrong and the fact that you cant type out the math equation to prove it makes me think your more wrong than you know


Geez, do you actually mine at all? Of course the Orca pilot is going to have the mining foreman link, kind of defeats the whole purpose of having the fleet boosts if you don't use the relevant implant and only train your fleet skills to level 1.

Also the effect of the mining link implant far exceeds the benefit of even every hulk pilot in the fleet fitted with the most expensive mining implants.

He's trolling you pretty good though. So, yeah, he mines. :)


Someone who has difficulty differentiating between trolling and genuine tears ^ :)

In fact, if I was the OP right now I would probably play the trolling card, as its the only way he's going to get out of this hole he has dug himself without humiliating himself further.


It's okay, I've already called and informed the OP's parents that their child was on the family computer unsupervised.

Idea
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-04-08 20:30:25 UTC
By this logic why would I even use an Orca for boosts when I could use a Drake with only a marginal loss in effectiveness?

hurrr

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Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#50 - 2013-04-08 20:31:34 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Oh, also, those numbers were with T2 medium drone mining aug rigs.

The mining drones are the only thing that DON'T enjoy a bonus from the Orca - so my configuration was optimized for the benefit of YOUR position, OP.


I think you have pwned the OP enough now.

I don't think he'll be showing his face around here again for a while. :)
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2013-04-08 20:35:38 UTC
Gallamoth Sickle wrote:
So there you have it kiddies!! With the new changes of the barges to hold way more ore if you are not flying at least 5 accounts (1 orca and 4 miners) then you are wasting your time and money on the orca. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY YOU ARE WASTING MINING YIELD!!!! DUH WHA?Oops
I have read your whole post.
I *really* understand your issue, but i don't think you understand your issue yourself.

Quote:
With the new changes of the barges to hold way more ore if you are not flying at least 5 accounts (1 orca and 4 miners) then you are wasting your time and money on the orca.
Logic, my good man. Logic.

It's not possible to waste time mining,
because there is not a single miner not doing something else,
while the eve-client is running.

One can not play "mining". It's not possible.
You might warp to station every n minutes,
but that's not playing the game.

If you were actually doing something while mining,
you would have to pay attention to what you are doing,
but as mining does not require this,
it is impossible to waste time mining !


Everything that's not elephant ... is irrelephant.


o/
Dave Stark
#52 - 2013-04-08 20:39:05 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
I *really* understand your issue,


explain it to me then.

because other than the inability to understand basic mathematics, i'm not entirely sure what his issue is.
Josef Djugashvilis
#53 - 2013-04-08 20:44:24 UTC
I thought mining was just a way to kill some time whilst chatting to corp mates.

So for some folk mining is a serious business then.

Gosh!

This is not a signature.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#54 - 2013-04-08 20:49:17 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
I *really* understand your issue,


explain it to me then.

because other than the inability to understand basic mathematics, i'm not entirely sure what his issue is.


I think it is kinder to let the OP go now than to prolong his humiliation and suffering any further. :)
Dave Stark
#55 - 2013-04-08 20:50:22 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
I *really* understand your issue,


explain it to me then.

because other than the inability to understand basic mathematics, i'm not entirely sure what his issue is.


I think it is kinder to let the OP go now than to prolong his humiliation and suffering any further. :)


it's monday night, and i've got nothing better to do.

now, make him dance for our amusement!
Skorpynekomimi
#56 - 2013-04-08 20:52:36 UTC
What is the orca good for? More than just mining.

- Tanky haulage. You can squeeze about 200k EHP out of it, and close to 100k m3 cargo space split between the hangar and hold. Plus 50k m3 of ore.
- Moving your operation around. I tend to load mine full of ships, so I can do other things while moving things about.
- Secure temporary storage. Log an alt in flying it, access your stuff and ships, log them out.
- Add some gang links instead of mining links, and you have a buff to gank resistance. Especially if you're skilled properly.

Economic PVP
Drunken Bum
#57 - 2013-04-08 20:53:31 UTC
Screw mining. The orca allowed me to nomad around in wormholes, (thanks to psychotic monks nomad guide!) that ship has a ton of uses beyond mining.


anyone spare some change?

After the patch we're giving the market some gentle supply restriction, like tying one wrist to the bedpost loosely with soft silk rope. Just enough to make things a bit more exciting for the market, not enough to make a safeword necessary.  -Fozzie
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#58 - 2013-04-08 20:56:53 UTC
He needs things explained to him in Dr. Suess rhymes?
Dave Stark
#59 - 2013-04-08 20:57:35 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
He needs things explained to him in Dr. Suess rhymes?


his post is bad.
his math is bad.
i don't understand rhymes.
bacon.
Haulie Berry
#60 - 2013-04-08 21:08:20 UTC
Drunken Bum wrote:
Screw mining. The orca allowed me to nomad around in wormholes, (thanks to psychotic monks nomad guide!) that ship has a ton of uses beyond mining.


anyone spare some change?



This. I have an Orca and I haven't mined a day in my life. It's just an amazing utility ship.