Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Adn thats why drone boats except 1v1 or smth bigger and beside PvE sucks

Dominix
The Dominix doesn't have the fitting slots to support guns and drones to their full extent, even right now. The Herd Domi is a thing. The neut Domi is a thing. The DPS domi is an EFT thing only. Drones need several damage mods and omnidirectionals to function at full efficiency right now. That leaves no room for gun mods that would be required to make blasters or rails halfway usable when they aren't shooting a structure. On the other hand, this tracking bonus is a monster. You guys are complaining about a 50% optimal range and tracking bonus! WHATS WRONG WITH YOU? Its going to be overpowered. And yet I hear people whining that the Domi didn't get a sensor damper bonus or wishing for that useless gun bonus back. This new thing will track like a monster. It will put more DPS further than any other short range problem. Some Domi lighting you up from 50KM will feel like a Megathron 5KM away. Then it can scoop its Gardes, drop Curators, and be a sniper. The only reason I'm not shouting for CCP to nerf this is because drones can be bombed and aren't mobile. Do you guys realize how important tracking is? 1600DPS means nothing if you can't apply it because you're drones aren't able to hit and your blasters are out of range.

Megathron
I roll my Megathron with trimarks and a 4 lowslot tank. Then I fit 2 damage mods and a tracking enhancer. Tracking enhancers are getting nerfed. After the change I will fit exactly the same except the tracking enhancer will become a tracking computer. If I ever feel the need to make a shield nano pest again I will use a Megathron instead. Its fine although CCP may have done this for the wrong reason. It is already possible to fit a MJD on there without the fifth mid. MWD / MJD / Cap Booster / Point. Then you use your utility high to fit a heavy neut giving you decent tackle. I think CCP intends that you can also fit a web.

I think the core point people are missing out on is the tracking enhancer nerf. After the nerf, the tracking computer will be the preferred damage module.

Hyperion
The Hyperion needs its midslots. It doesn't have room for a heavy neut. That means that it needs 2 midslots worth of tackle if its going to hold anything down to try to hit it. Then it needs a propulsion mod. Then it needs a cap booster. The problem is that the Hype can't run the tank it normally does off 1 cap booster. Everything it does uses cap. The guns, the propulsion, the tackle, the reps. If pilots are expected to fly a tiny gang ship without tackle, how is the massive self rep of the Hype going to do any good? Anyone fighting it will kill its tackler buddy and fly away. The self tank of the Hype won't matter at all. The slot and turret layout of the new Hype imply a fleet ship. But to be a good fleet ship it needs a second bonus. It doesn't have the alpha of a Mael, the tank of a Rohk. It needs something more if it wants to compete in that arena.The active tank bonus is frustrating. If it must stay then the slot layout should support the goddamn thing. Otherwise drop it and do something better with the bonus.

I personally think the slot layout is ok with these changes but more cap is needed, have overseen that they didnt increase it at first.

See, but it isn't really.
In current trim, your average buffer Mega is probably around 1000dps (before heat/void) with ~127k ehp, and less utility in the mids.
The new Mega, with the same fit, is ~10k ehp LESS, with damage output being nearly identical, and gaining a whole new world of uses for that extra mid (TD/breaker/web/MJD/AB/cap).

At the very very worst, you're losing out on some of the maximum damage potential (~150-200dps) which is a result of the drone loss and not the low slot.

5% rof bonus + 1 mag stab = 5% dmg bonus + 2 mag stab

Now u have 1 more mid slot for or web or the track comp, which means that 5% rof + 1 mag stab dps better applied than the old fit. And on top of that u get the same tank, better cap, speed and agility. Stop whining.

One thing I have always liked about Gallente ships is that they can fit into both armor and shield fleets fairly well, with the additional mid slot to the Megathron it will be able to do that also.

Giving sentry drones 5000m scoop range would make them much usable without breaking the whole concept of stationary drones.

You could orbit them and gtfo without leaving one or two behind, or even do short & slow align.

MukkBarovian,

drones already have enough tracking to land solid hits all the time when you use the right type of drones. Improving tracking further is EFT value, it doesn't improve applied damage. Most of drone dps is lost due to them toggling MWD/orbit modes, travelling to targets, sentries already hit at full damage at their optimals.

(Mega does +1100 dps at 5km, Dominix +800 @ 50km)

But why aren't sentry Domis OP now? You can get the same range and tracking currently.

You should add then "and Drone control range", i mean "Drone optimal and control range and tracking speed"

the issue is less bout strength but about UNMIMATARIZATION of the tempest, the signature being the main thing. And some complaints about the drone reduction o the typhoon. I think typhoon complains are a bit unjustified, but the drones could very well stay and they could keep 2 unbonused turrets (even with only 1 free high) just to keep people happy.

But the tempest is being forced in a NON minmatar ship and a bad non minmatar ship. Most tempests used lack CPU when AC fit with shield tank and the PG boost is stil not enough to make ANY fitting change for an arty boat (the same number of fit modules are needed, therefore the PG boost is useless.

The tempest simply have no realistic use. Because the maelstrom is FAR surperior and can do the same the tempest do but better.

Yeah, magstab loss is countered by the ROF bonus.

Looks like it doesn't have the fittings for adding MJD or breaker without downgrading the guns or neut. Sure, dual webs or TC are nice additions.

It's still a slow, big, slow-locking armor brawler.