Wormholes

I have participated in evictions and guess what...the same people are still there...reorganized and jumped right back in the mix...you have some people that leave..but you also have those corpmates that leave b/c of other reasons like RL, progressing through the game, wanting something differrnt..etc.

One question I have is where people got the notion that once evicted that these players are banished never to return to wormhole space...these players pick themselves up..dust themselves off...maybe they call a hotline to talk but a vast majority of them get right back in it...I applaud it...

Let's try to stay on the topic of this post

I suspect that the number of people in wormholes who believe that once they die they have to quit the game is much much smaller then 100%. It is probably pretty close to 0%. Did you know that you can go to a station with a medical office and buy a clone that lets you keep all your skillpoints when you get podded? Also, your subscription keeps running when you die, and you can store effectively unlimited assets around the galaxy - you don't have to put everything you own in a POS in a wormhole.

There is, in fact, absolutely nothing stopping an evicted corporation from moving back into wormhole space. At the worst an eviction might cause a fail cascade, but even then the individual pilots are likely to just join another corp or reform a new one. (worst case remember. TL is showing no sign of losing any members after their eviction).

There are reasons not to evict, but "less people to PVP with" isn't one of them, so let's stop claiming it is.

Unlike the "bearing" groups that reside in w-space the pvp pilots have a collection of ships and assets in their system that allows them to pvp. By evicting them the aggressors deny them further access to these assets, assets that would otherwise be used to create "content /pew" are now being SDed and so on. After the eviction the evicted pilots need to figure out if they get back into w-space and how, for some it will be easy, they might have extra ISK and assets in empire. For others it might mean starting over, spending the next few weeks building up the asset list again, during this period of time they might not engage in pvp because they either don't have the ships or the isk to replace it. Yet in other cases the pilots might get frustrated and leave the game and so on.

The end result of the whole thing is that some people will shoot structures, others will have to set them up again in a different system, yet others will have to spend some time building up their assets again.... all in the name of "good fights".

As the Oracle of Bob,

He had this to say; "Did it lead to explosions and pod goo? Was there zoom and dakka to be had? If so, keep on keepin' on with your Bad Ass Selves."

Bob does not take sides.

I look forward to Father Herrbert's insights.

Transmission Lost Reloaded.

its a vicious cycle...but I bet you won't be complaining when you get a tackle on those who chose to stay and you caught them farming to raise the isk to building those assets back that you mention...or are you going to show them mercy because of their situation? Also, it's a bit naive to assume that these guys are starting back in their noob ships...I mean...come on..

Well if I may put in my two cents as someone who is a member of a smaller pvp group playing in W-space. Seeing any evictions is rather sad, considering w-space hold an already small population. (Not to say groups that are evicted can't recover).

Chitsa said that evictions are some thing that happens because of personal reasons, so my question would be why did polarized decide to evict TL? I was told recently that I had the wrong information about it all so would someone fill me in on this grand reason to evict a legit PvP alliance?

Also as for the 'good publicity' which was also mentioned here by Chitsa. this is the stupidest thing you ever said (sorry bro no offence) and anyone who thinks this is good for w-space is lost in their ways and should look towards playing the game as a sov holding entity in Null. Do I, the little guy, need to remind these big C5/C6 corporations what the fun w-space looked like? Do I, the guy who has been playing in wormholes for only the last 9 month need to remind you that w-space was meant for small gangs not blobs?

I joined w-space because I hate blues, because I love small gang PvP and because I didn't want to be just a +1 in a fleet of a 100. W-space was always more civil then other places on New Eden and the fact that someone thinks that they need to bring everyone that wishes to see an explosion to something that, you yourselves, labeled "personal" is a shame on you all!

Null is the place that is reserved for angry revenge and massive fights. The publicity of w-space should not come from drama, it should come from the culture and the community that revolves around this mechanic. I had endless praises as of late from dozens of podcasters, community people and players at the resolve and teamwork w-space showed to get all wormhole 5 on the final election ballot. That is the right kind of publicity.

W-space is where even the small guy can thrive and not destroyed by superior numbers and assets that are our of their financial reach. I guess what I'm trying to say is that next time this kind of eviction happens I personally will will not attend unless my CEO really needs me to do it. And if I get labeled with AHARM as a pacifist so be it because BOB knows the truth.

Please all I say here does not reflect SUSU in any way. It doesn't even reflect DTP views its my own personal.

Then tell me this. What conflict drivers are there in wspace? tech moons? money? asteroid, ice belts? better (lower) system security? better rats?

If the looming threat of losing all your assets (as many as you can't log off in safes) isn't enough to make a group fight for them, then you deserve to lose them. TLost would rather log off all their cap pilots then fight with them. They're that 'pvp' group who smacks in local about attackers not wanting to fight them on 'equal terms' then proceeding to SD ships in pos shields then log of with what they've got left rather then put up even a struggle.

As I heard it the dreads were in a wormhole.

I understand your just a grunt but your corp has gained notoriety through your podcast And to use that notoriety in these ways in my view is wrong.

If your ceo wants to batphone every Tom,**** and Harry everytime he comes across a situation you guy's cannot handle then you may aswell just join them and it may be easier to fleet up next time.

I love small gang pvp as in my view its the ultimate in eve experiance.

The politics and ego's of the larger alliances in wormholes at the moment quite frakley bores me to tears.

It may be a good idea to create a sub forum for it as the threads in this 1 just seem to be rife with one big corp bitching about another.

Maybe merge it with the nullsec forum because thats the way wormholes are heading.

This.