EVE General Discussion

Blob fleet, and the first try you guys were chased out of Dodge -- with the tail inbetween the legs -- and were left to playing NPC docking games...defeated.

So much for that as a example to teach the new players that "anyone can do it".

They don't even know what they want. In other games they're called, "mouthbreathers" for a reason.

Notice training isn't an issue, unless they want to brag about it to show THEY have the skills (like the thread earlier claiming all shuttles can zip through without getting hit, then claiming needing Evasive Manuevuering IV, when confronted).

Dodging targets. Red herrings. Trolling.

Yes? And? One does not contradict the other. And no, that's not what I talk about in the next breath…

Again, incursions are just a slightly more advanced form of ratting, and telling people that they should not try ratting before they have accumulated some random pile of ships or skills or SP is thoroughly counterproductive. New players can start doing it with their n00bships.

As they gain more bonuses and better equipment (and pick up a few tactics) they can start taking on bigger stuff. What I'm saying is exactly that: you don't have to wait until you're in a 4bn pirate battleship with all-V skills before you dive into incursions — if you really want to, you can probably do it in about a month (I would probably advice against it, though, since there are so much else to try in the beginning, and it is kind of a specialist field to get into so early). That is not the same thing as saying “don't try your hand at ratting until you have [whatever]” — it's simply pointing at one of the rungs of progression in the ratting profession (a run that is actually quite close… but then, almost everyting in EVE is, which is the whole point).

The advice is still the same: don't wait until you have [whatever] before trying. Try today, and if it works, great! If it doesn't, figure out why and fix it. On your way to making it work, the skills and skillz you accumulate will be useful too, so don't wait around for the levels to finish — go out and use them.

Indeed. That is the whole problem discussed in this topic: new players don't know what htey want, and providing them with a one-sided, incomplete, and often fatally flawed basis for their decisions and choices rather invalidates those decisions and choices.

That's not very nice. In this game, we call them newbies. I suppose there's something to be said about that, and about how EVE have this interesting tendency to pick up various “best community” awards in the gaming press…

I use a no skill alt as a scout in a shuttle and got killed going through a gate.

If you go into lowsec you are going to die eventually. Don't fly what you can't afford to loss. Scout. Plan.

When some individual tell the lie that if is all safe and full of flowers, they are doing the worse kind of injustice to new players. Some will believe them and then lose virtually everything they have, become discourage and give up. No honest player tells a noob to run level 4s solo in a T1 frigate after two weeks... without at least telling him what will happen.

It's not you mining or running missions that this is about, it's you telling newbies that they can't do anything except mine or run missions and choking their ability to have a good time in this video game that this thread is about.

I don't know these Corps. One of my Corp/Alliances does Highsec stuff, but no one is forbidden to do other things. They were in the process of moving a large part of the operation to CVA space. Everyone was on board, but then the war started. ;(

Perhaps there are Corp that refuse to allow there players to do anything else, but it is then on the players to decide what they want to do.

So what? You were doing it, and you had fun. Everything else is just silly “must have V” elitist nonsense.
Also, why did you let anyone else dictate your gameplay?

Soloing in lowsec for a two-year old is just as much death. The difference is that the two-week old has no bad habit he has to unlearn; no expensive ships to replace; and he'll have an abundance of source material to learn from.

In other words, and once again: age is not a factor in survival. If anything, he'll survive far better far sooner than the two-year old (and most likely pick up a few contacts that he can build a career with, which is much less likely for the older character). Either way, waiting until “you're ready” just means you will never be ready. Try today.

Knock, knock...no one is.

It's a tradition in gaming to let gamers play as they want. It's a very Libertarian concept so cherished.

If they want to play PvE, their choice. If they want to PvP, their choice.

It isn't for YOU to decide.

...And look, another CSM candidate...

None of this matters one iota to the discussion at hand, whether you're right or he is.

confirming to the OP. carebears are ruining the game. my game. well ruining is a strong word...but whatever.

behold:

<--- carebear here.

and there are just too many other carebears like me. how dare they compete with me for trade and belts and industry? how dare they do what they want to do and affect my gameplay? if there were less carebears, everything i do would be worth more money. with more money i could afford to carebear even harder.

these heartless players ruin everything. i'm with you OP.

aaarrrrgh, my blood is up...i need to go punch my pillow.